From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Dongsheng Yang <dongsheng.yang@linux.dev>, <axboe@kernel.dk>,
<hch@lst.de>, <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
<gregory.price@memverge.com>, <John@groves.net>,
<Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>, <bbhushan2@marvell.com>,
<chaitanyak@nvidia.com>, <rdunlap@infradead.org>
Cc: <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org>,
<nvdimm@lists.linux.dev>,
Dongsheng Yang <dongsheng.yang@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] pcache: Persistent Memory Cache for Block Devices
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:00:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <67fe9ea2850bc_71fe294d8@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250414014505.20477-1-dongsheng.yang@linux.dev>
Dongsheng Yang wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This patchset introduces a new Linux block layer module called
> **pcache**, which uses persistent memory (pmem) as a cache for block
> devices.
>
> Originally, this functionality was implemented as `cbd_cache` within the
> CBD (CXL Block Device). However, after thorough consideration,
> it became clear that the cache design was not limited to CBD's pmem
> device or infrastructure. Instead, it is broadly applicable to **any**
> persistent memory device that supports DAX. Therefore, I have split
> pcache out of cbd and refactored it into a standalone module.
>
> Although Intel's Optane product line has been discontinued, the Storage
> Class Memory (SCM) field continues to evolve. For instance, Numemory
> recently launched their Optane successor product, the NM101 SCM:
> https://www.techpowerup.com/332914/numemory-releases-optane-successor-nm101-storage-class-memory
>
> ### About pcache
>
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | Feature | pcache | bcache | dm-writecache |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | pmem access method | DAX | bio | DAX |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | Write Latency (4K randwrite) | ~7us | ~20us | ~7us |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | Concurrency | Multi-tree per backend, | Shared global index tree, | single indexing tree and |
> | | fully utilizing pmem | | global wc_lock |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | IOPS (4K randwrite 32 numjobs)| 2107K | 352K | 283K |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | Read Cache Support | YES | YES | NO |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | Deployment Flexibility | No reformat needed | Requires formatting backend | Depends on dm framework, |
> | | | devices | less intuitive to deploy |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | Writeback Model | log-structure; preserves | no guarantee between | no guarantee writeback |
> | | backing crash-consistency; | flush order and app IO order;| ordering |
> | | important for checkpoint | may lose ordering in backing | |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
> | Data Integrity | CRC on both metadata and | CRC on metadata only | No CRC |
> | | data (data crc is optional) | | |
> +-------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
Thanks for making the comparison chart. The immediate question this
raises is why not add "multi-tree per backend", "log structured
writeback", "readcache", and "CRC" support to dm-writecache?
device-mapper is everywhere, has a long track record, and enhancing it
immediately engages a community of folks in this space.
Then reviewers can spend the time purely on the enhancements and not
reviewing a new block device-management stacking ABI.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-15 18:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-14 1:44 [RFC PATCH 00/11] pcache: Persistent Memory Cache for Block Devices Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:44 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] pcache: introduce cache_dev for managing persistent memory-based cache devices Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:44 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] pcache: introduce segment abstraction Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:44 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] pcache: introduce meta_segment abstraction Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:44 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] pcache: introduce cache_segment abstraction Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:44 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] pcache: introduce lifecycle management of pcache_cache Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:45 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] pcache: gc and writeback Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:45 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] pcache: introduce cache_key infrastructure for persistent metadata management Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:45 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] pcache: implement request processing and cache I/O path in cache_req Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:45 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] pcache: introduce logic block device and request handling Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:45 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] pcache: add backing device management Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-14 1:45 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] block: introduce pcache (persistent memory to be cache for block device) Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-15 18:00 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2025-04-16 1:04 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] pcache: Persistent Memory Cache for Block Devices Jens Axboe
2025-04-16 6:08 ` Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-16 15:10 ` Jens Axboe
2025-04-16 21:40 ` Dongsheng Yang
2025-04-22 10:29 ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-04-22 13:23 ` Dongsheng Yang
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