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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/23/26 01:43, Gregory Price wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2026 at 11:49:48PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote: >> >> I'm merely wondering why, in the new world, you would even want the offline >> state. >> >> So what are the use cases for that? >> > > I don't have one, and in the 5-patch series I killed it. You are right, > it makes no sense. > > However: > >> Why would user space possibly want that? [plugged-in offline blocks] >> > > I don't think anyone does. > > This is baggage. > > The CXL driver auto-creates dax_kmem w/ offline memory blocks > > Changing this behavior breaks existing systems :[ > >> Can't ndctl just use the old (existing) interface if such an operation is >> requested, and the new one (you want to add) when we want to do something >> reasonable (actually use system ram? :) ). > > I think we're in agreement, I think I'm doing a poor job of explaining > the interconnected issues. > > summarizing the long email: > > cxl/region + dax/cxl.c + dax/bus.c auto-probe baggage for > BIOS-configured regions prevents any userland policy from > from being plumbed from cxl to dax. There's no interposition step. > > So yes - new interfaces would resolve this and the old interfaces > could be left for compat. Great! -- Cheers David