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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Richard Cheng <icheng@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
	djbw@kernel.org, vishal.l.verma@intel.com,  dave.jiang@intel.com,
	alison.schofield@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax/kmem: support for private NUMA nodes
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2026 09:06:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amNegmEeK1dUP1Dz@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <amMUZ-QnxV0SKevW@MWDK4CY14F>

On Fri, Jul 24, 2026 at 03:45:23PM +0800, Richard Cheng wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2026 at 02:35:11PM +0800, Gregory Price wrote:
> 
> Hi Gregory,
> 
> I have some thoughts especially for ownership and configs.
> 
> I think it would be good to expose dax control of private node, just with
> the following guarantees.
> 
> Let's make it clear that userspace should never become the owner
> of private node, they should be driver-owned and 1-to-1 mapping relationship.
> 

The intent here is 100% 1-to-1 driver:node mappings.

Technically there's nothing unreasonable about single-owner multi-node, but
really we just don't want multiple devices on one node.

> A userspace tool can request to reconfigure some capability of the DAX device, and
> maybe how the driver expose it.
> 
> A dax range may have several deployment rules, e.g. devdax, system-ram or private, with
> the patch series' tool, it looks like a userspace tool can convert a DAX device between
> dax and system-ram mode, I think that's unsafe especially when the region is online as
> system-ram.
> 
> And it will cause coherence issue to be resolved, if no special or strong use cases, I would
> prevent having such ability to convert the rules in runtime, especially for fixed-purpose device.
> 

Right now we can't really prevent a user from doing:

echo dax0.0 > dax/drivers/devdax/unbind
echo dax0.0 > dax/drivers/kmem/bind

And in fact we depend on kmem being the default target for CXL to
auto-probe through to hotplug.  For CXL accelerators, the current
intended auto-probe behavior is to terminate at an offline kmem dax
binding, and then expect the user to either rebind the dax device, or
rebind the entire cxl device:

echo $DEVICE > ../drivers/cxl_pci/unbind
echo $DEVICE > ../pci/my_cxl_device_driver/bind

I have some old patches that augment how drivers select the dax mode,
I can see about reviving that and maybe letting the source driver
also dictate which dax modes are valid according to the source.

I'll look into that.

> For capability bitmap part, I think it's reasonable to expose it, but with 2 concepts
> - supported_caps : immutable, supplied by the provider/vendor
> - enabled-caps : selected policy, subset of supported_caps
> 
> The invariant should always hold
> """
> enabled_caps & ~supported_caps == 0
> """
> 
> This way we can prevent userspace from touching things that they shouldn't.
> 

This I like, and i think you've convinced me that this should be a
separate dax device driver so we're not overloading kmem.

That said, for a dax device that was not created by a driver, but
instead created via something like "memmap=" boot parameter, i'm we
can't really dictate supported caps - but for a driver that *does* want
to limit support, I think we can manage that.

> Maybe a demo with a driver would be nice ?
> 

Sure! I think i'm going to include my anon-memory only compressed ram
service back into v6 w/ the dax driver extensions you've suggested.

~Gregory


      reply	other threads:[~2026-07-24 13:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-22 18:35 [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax/kmem: support for private NUMA nodes Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] dax/kmem: add dax_file= to expose an anonymous-fault char device Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] dax/kmem: add private= to online memory as an N_MEMORY_PRIVATE node Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] dax/kmem: add the reclaim opt-in (CAP_RECLAIM) for private nodes Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] dax/kmem: add the user_numa opt-in (CAP_USER_NUMA) " Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] dax/kmem: add the hotunplug opt-in (CAP_HOTUNPLUG) " Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] dax/kmem: add the demotion and numa_balancing opt-ins " Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] dax/kmem: add the ltpin opt-in (CAP_LTPIN) " Gregory Price
2026-07-22 18:35 ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] dax/kmem: add dax/adistance to make private node adistance configurable Gregory Price
2026-07-24  7:45 ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] dax/kmem: support for private NUMA nodes Richard Cheng
2026-07-24 13:06   ` Gregory Price [this message]

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