From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1363137C910; Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782484435; cv=none; b=hFwMdBzfrT1I91tpUWzX+emcW0NTIp5UKyJK4siv/hjM/c522KogWgMrKzIoXV9ppF+KgdPnOQBpQygB3UZJwCNin5G8XjAyg0M5ms5BzE51wzW2a04JYOXRDTzbeH7RGiOJyOVZ1i8KlhH7vPH0FY+QAVncUKj7f5p5AuM9KLE= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782484435; c=relaxed/simple; bh=NqfACnz2t+zOVA2tuFmiayVrUDbhu5OGqN+rIrYyF+E=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=nbBOafezwCxzJPVpDGsiV2ODQ5dnKMrdi28on9Z7MxqI8OzfsfPLUwh1Ok0gAaK7AM/NUn634xb90AXh+7NcbcJnOTqB4kENnDDN0+dcxiW5SBLNCCroBb++euXeAJcqZugZKOz2AnbT8ab5zrA3trwyO/Uay7/xDu3WHdK+5tU= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=kR7G670S; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="kR7G670S" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE4751F000E9; Fri, 26 Jun 2026 14:33:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1782484433; bh=nr1+olveQQc4q70Gwdp75TQ73UljPDFD7Qs6pi1LWiM=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=kR7G670Scq9B+9we1PGLwzkEnigxCjxV7fEJQ68Kv/UpqbfsqlBVwozPF969srkdy 6bk6hKHw+WhKx0kiel30G68P3eqn5U/cJbVRpJqsftBl05NhAIt6pQA34mo789+8Oq ZUqGhFX+lV+Sy7D073M40eP3rQlrlOyJpJ2qHMU5RRGg9+5nspy9rlMMcuhfzeY2mP xcxngCLDOvIdU82X3SzUB0hbkNOX8mIej4W0Zav7i5j70dnzEWcv4oM8Zno6Qpabs2 jXwixxP3bXFGLextAYtpHWt1eE9RLDw/0RfAszqku6UyUeZSyKXyeZNCd3jt7+cR1r 9/WasLA3vjkzg== Message-ID: <04b4f1b0-4d8f-41eb-9b6f-d90b88aec2ff@kernel.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2026 15:33:49 +0100 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: devicetree@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [RFC 00/12] RFC: Devicetree-ACPI hybrid mode To: Hans de Goede , "Rafael J . Wysocki" , Bjorn Andersson , Konrad Dybcio Cc: Srinivas Kandagatla , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Dmitry Baryshkov , Bartosz Golaszewski , Abel Vesa , linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org References: <20260623145225.143218-1-johannes.goede@oss.qualcomm.com> From: Bryan O'Donoghue Content-Language: en-US Autocrypt: addr=bod@kernel.org; keydata= xsFNBGRJNSgBEADD7Vm2ZFa+v+JGJ2QYTJqQAkqis/uOHkhdFNXqpBarVBd47QU/DMNU5Rxg jedMQEmHoeDbJ6UOpjbrUQ63c5sgG1JbroHJJctwsEI75OOlekMuebEbjIJBLfgENGwPBMHv piv5TgCWr0VgYaXfp2eh2LINFywzqj823HiDPibQAXDrjzvF1ogksi/6cQZs8d4if8YQkLOr YISFouG+eR0nN1I7mUfIddXOWu6lJeTyqbWVurv58k2ekIXKaOC9ixLHFbcfYV0hOgRaTwQC B8CYF9nfqZla19iItfsN9QxN+ZdQjcRoYipp6HPCMfJlKH7GfaFcW93LKc4DKJ2lVL+pg/OQ lythZbjRPY492NG9kZ65aYstCs90uhMUEVVPuGUw7wBEku+6IEwZfrbMVKeWzLlPyM4Hv9hM 8ktxSmxWsPTPqpBC8eyeAQLalMELAyVcZlkaCtEcbj7w4l/JkYz+4l37obG8ZD+B34udBUUz MsAJ8foDFrBh2MOFA3hxD6G90D23mmWsri7pnKA2tZs92aQX7Ee+FbCyg6g5ln62Sq83ZDbf 53DdBs55EVpBadeInWmXhzCHPQx06H+CwTEjShTYIaMmBfrewvYUDKvFTC5iKQhAEUgt6i94 JsbG7NoeqcxkUMcBOEUQ3uCQG1D70ugspgXc0wd3Rimiq6535wARAQABzSFCcnlhbiBPJ0Rv bm9naHVlIDxib2RAa2VybmVsLm9yZz7CwZEEEwEIADsWIQTmk/sqq6Nt4Rerb7QicTuzoY3I OgUCZ+R+mwIbAwULCQgHAgIiAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeBwIXgAAKCRAicTuzoY3IOimUD/94 BwVEJX31JRe2sxbB/e1w2p8x1bxvTw5AeIzpV3ox7coJg1bSU2mnGuj1V4o0Yxf/3zmcJzCN VfVjwRF8Ii3GnC7uUXk2t+87piQfKTyJAYQABhZUKgoVJbjJq/S+C3XCKIyBA+EiezoUsgsA jTzwU+FzV7zVWIXFPJNtBERLwboE9w9U3KjAExOa1kSY8eLrsg6kOwlOHWy5UsQqYOjrS96M mzm2xuc1+RCjrndAyYhCnrOKvJ67HsPnBeJCjw7ImGD/U1GchwYbX8o3DO3JNHm3qfC86ZqX 2sCouENg4OzgPTtLKUrueM6xsu6KMM7gj17vxsiR3KQEoJnnMB8D1xtBofN3mFZE0wD9M24m 8yGunZbtntMCUHzIrlJgAPwKWKuGOYtA8UgMTFkccnUJtQrg9KotKtEF/FuftG9zLG9XEkt4 5ZdNgbSoLWgelu3T47mbOJ8LHhiLaCWP7yrovtVAvLUQ1BsiA42u8ECrFCFvQj9nrejE/ICv kP+uqcKtdDvP9HrIGycF1WZyfZLp0RvopKW92FLvI4I1QFWJ+wenk6+LGyJ5bzlrWzevjxmf nHcXE6sJBHrE7eijlbbImDAi3uLYN8Nd9Dm11IDAy4GAIQxSiQn0yblDhPiyGtchy80EVkCm g9k17Wol+2E2mC4DKgVdCkyUtTRSLgsJCs7BTQRkSTUoARAAuTnmWHBS6izRcEE93ajpzI7h dgQO4U3IRvOEsvIKR5NGcNEs0ngGebwsZ/lVULjN4vYU0LleqVhPBidNXUoZCN3A0F0Z2Ov8 NZdef+2EhQPBVWxFO7JBzhe8Z3ALj+wFtlg8akJjBzU56azW/iJzAobqHVrudzKoO2b1/CMg VbiAQ+RXjgfN5kY/HqYDU7mw+hXuUV9PbtX1L8xqQQac95oM9rHzKHHpiVwxTeJnGQsa+THi Kze+YET3rCoGHMvOQEJhdrucTv5FpAakKdkOFNel9FFckLRKEuWgCzhpFsjQ7xbirQgFUxG9 vlk1+q4hMRGNyEqoD6svYEeqbiUSd0oPUJeioiC3rNMRCNHLVrfZ2J6SCPkxfda08uzSdDQU 1/YPjOh8ZtQDMu7WctZ3XO288Z1gyBR49V7fbFs2w4sQxG+h/enlxqP7fdw1mjUlZjU5huCJ ielS0oEaIpmUpkugli7x4WhwLnhK2EbSoz7nLBC0y+ALUOdMlz/Y1l9xRt+bkDhpmf4O4IcI MxgZ0QMLq8rHDkGaEbsgZZHQPS58T0XE3IP30Q9SNxsruCMXtd2hYtBssf/wohc6JVsTtMg2 VYTPDPIFNZFSXupEJB7jlqpDWJ8ooJfJRLBatbjT5+mVQaMYB7Hs/t+zWYWaJKHyc8O6WLEC NUV5Tdt5EkkAEQEAAcLBdgQYAQoAIBYhBOaT+yqro23hF6tvtCJxO7Ohjcg6BQJkSTUoAhsM AAoJECJxO7Ohjcg6LuIQALnXt36OUuK43wqw6UYt0cnN6EbUqJHApAF5eNFn0jCCB2XELjSz JKJwuNAweowBdabiBniJ+501WIW+ewEsz1uby5fUQjZuCEsIkuaIluyfUFPb73qrQyAGuusd 7teA4WT+/jUku9g7lX5sVoRCrKQPkd16f6Bzfztyqyjcn43/X5yQI+wlboQ6HuKe/3I3yiOx OgmCHzOawpC9PvhEcKj79RLM3Zz5Ts5AuHpRX70Jz8Be76LwVFLp5Msx3S24ZTU1lBo2uiJ3 xSkay2lTpyVWRPx9vgcwzxGguOPJQJwsQeLb7wpoJMPpD3ERoaRii7Q7hvmxklpZjhKYWB3d t6nQ497Ek9loCrp3MIjRCSDN5xEGffiHks9yTeGMUQwO4tX8RE04uOJPkUY7uCFzFqN6/qey X3oFfPgkULMdiHofPAL1OskZSTzGPSfTYRE46NCJw8yoZBQ/oOyWeqaUQbK0wmW/g81wm8p7 LKSGEglMpiX07M1AotgvylN5C8fjbouoK+/RAMsXkk8jba6rPfuuXPaDjCyyKn6zSVHETnHW 3AJbgVY50T8STpnxayBQvWbCvu+6NOEjXCbyaOJig+5l0zlGN9XHjdANXC5HnwmyaGRL9YDq Jh2nVXVJDincOdQRdKcJjYLqaOAoWrYWSDi1iZGspHBTDrnOvfMQzzHY In-Reply-To: <20260623145225.143218-1-johannes.goede@oss.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 23/06/2026 15:52, Hans de Goede wrote: > Comments, thoughts ? Throw out DT and just do this... One thing I like about this approach TBH is that you don't do the easy thing of presuming to push the hard work into the bootloader - thus creating a dependency on bootloader. We've had _alot_ of problems doing DT selectivity to get OSes installed on arm64 laptops. You mentioned I2C-HID devices and EC controllers which I agree are a good and obvious targets. I don't think this can replace a full and complete DT but, then I don't think that should be the objective. Much like installing cursed OSes like Windows on "normal" laptops or x86 machines, you'd expect to boot in ACPI mode have enough of the OS running to install more of the OS - which I think _can_ be a viable objective with an ACPI-DT translator. Sadly OpenBSD could boot all the way to console on the Qcom laptops where Linux could not - because ACPI support was better there. And, we have Nvidia laptops coming too, Windows laptops which will parse ACPI tables to boot. There's almost no upside in having ACPI data and not trying to make maximal use of it, especially if you don't have a DT supplied by antecedent boot stages. --- bod