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From: Yisheng Xie <xieyisheng1@huawei.com>
To: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFCv2 PATCH 00/36] Process management for IOMMU + SVM for SMMUv3
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 17:49:52 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0c6778d8-741f-0db7-fe3c-df88a75ebbb2@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171006133203.22803-1-jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com>

Hi Jean,

On 2017/10/6 21:31, Jean-Philippe Brucker wrote:
> Following discussions at plumbers and elsewhere, it seems like we need to
> unify some of the Shared Virtual Memory (SVM) code, in order to define
> clear semantics for the SVM API.
> 
> My previous RFC [1] was centered on the SMMUv3, but some of this code will
> need to be reused by the SMMUv2 and virtio-iommu drivers. This second
> proposal focuses on abstracting a little more into the core IOMMU API, and
> also trying to find common ground for all SVM-capable IOMMUs.
> 
> SVM is, in the context of the IOMMU, sharing page tables between a process
> and a device. Traditionally it requires IO Page Fault and Process Address
> Space ID capabilities in device and IOMMU.
> 
> * A device driver can bind a process to a device, with iommu_process_bind.
>   Internally we hold on to the mm and get notified of its activity with an
>   mmu_notifier. The bond is removed by exit_mm, by a call to
>   iommu_process_unbind or iommu_detach_device.
> 
> * iommu_process_bind returns a 20-bit PASID (PCI terminology) to the
>   device driver, which programs it into the device to access the process
>   address space.
> 
> * The device and the IOMMU support recoverable page faults. This can be
>   either ATS+PRI for PCI, or platform-specific mechanisms such as Stall
>   for SMMU.
> 
> Ideally systems wanting to use SVM have to support these three features,
> but in practice we'll see implementations supporting just a subset of
> them, especially in validation environments. So even if this particular
> patchset assumes all three capabilities, it should also be possible to
> support PASID without IOPF (by pinning everything, see non-system SVM in
> OpenCL)
How to pin everything? If user malloc anything we should pin it. It should
from user or driver?

> , or IOPF without PASID (sharing the single device address space
> with a process, could be useful for DPDK+VFIO).
> 
> Implementing both these cases would enable PT sharing alone. Some people
> would also like IOPF alone without SVM (covered by this series) or process
> management without shared PT (not covered). Using these features
> individually is also important for testing, as SVM is in its infancy and
> providing easy ways to test is essential to reduce the number of quirks
> down the line.
> 
>   Process management
>   ==================
> 
> The first part of this series introduces boilerplate code for managing
> PASIDs and processes bound to devices. It's something any IOMMU driver
> that wants to support bind/unbind will have to do, and it is difficult to
> get right.
> 
> Patches
> 1: iommu_process and PASID allocation, attach and release
> 2: process_exit callback for device drivers
> 3: iommu_process search by PASID
> 4: track process changes with an MMU notifiers
> 5: bind and unbind operations
> 
> My proposal uses the following model:
> 
> * The PASID space is system-wide. This means that a Linux process will
>   have a single PASID. I introduce the iommu_process structure and a
>   global IDR to manage this.
> 
> * An iommu_process can be bound to multiple domains, and a domain can have
>   multiple iommu_process.
when bind a task to device, can we create a single domain for it? I am thinking
about process management without shared PT(for some device only support PASID
without pri ability), it seems hard to expand if a domain have multiple iommu_process?
Do you have any idea about this?

> 
> * IOMMU groups share same PASID table. IOMMU groups are a convenient way
>   to cover various hardware weaknesses that prevent a group of device to
>   be isolated by the IOMMU (untrusted bridge, for instance). It's foolish
>   to assume that all PASID implementations will perfectly isolate devices
>   within a bus and functions within a device, so let's assume all devices
>   within an IOMMU group have to share PASID traffic as well. In general
>   there will be a single device per group.
> 
> * It's up to the driver implementation to decide where to implement the
>   PASID tables. For SMMU it's more convenient to have a single PASID table
>   per domain. And I think the model fits better with the existing IOMMU
>   API: IOVA traffic is shared by all devices in a domain, so should PASID
>   traffic.
What's the meaning of "share PASID traffic"? PASID space is system-wide,
and a domain can have multiple iommu_process , so a domain can have multiple
PASIDs , one PASID for a iommu_process, right?

Yisheng Xie
Thanks



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-10-09  9:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-06 13:31 [RFCv2 PATCH 00/36] Process management for IOMMU + SVM for SMMUv3 Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 02/36] iommu: Add a process_exit callback for device drivers Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 03/36] iommu/process: Add public function to search for a process Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 09/36] iommu/fault: Allow blocking fault handlers Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]   ` <20171006133203.22803-10-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-29  6:15     ` Yisheng Xie
     [not found]       ` <7e1c8ea4-e568-1000-17de-62f8562c7169-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-29 15:01         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]           ` <74891e35-17d8-5831-1ebd-18e00ce00d74-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-30  2:45             ` Yisheng Xie
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 10/36] vfio: Add support for Shared Virtual Memory Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-24  8:23   ` Bob Liu
2017-11-24 10:58     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 11/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Link domains and devices Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 12/36] dt-bindings: document stall and PASID properties for IOMMU masters Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]   ` <20171006133203.22803-13-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-13 19:10     ` Rob Herring
2017-10-16 10:23       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]         ` <e7288f51-1cfa-44ce-e3ce-e9f3daf91579-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-18  2:06           ` Rob Herring
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 14/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add support for Substream IDs Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-02 12:49   ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2017-11-02 15:51     ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-02 17:02       ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2017-11-03  5:45         ` Yisheng Xie
2017-11-03  9:37           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-03  9:39             ` Shameerali Kolothum Thodi
2017-11-06  0:50             ` Yisheng Xie
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 15/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add second level of context descriptor table Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 16/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add support for VHE Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 17/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Support broadcast TLB maintenance Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 18/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add SVM feature checking Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found] ` <20171006133203.22803-1-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 01/36] iommu: Keep track of processes and PASIDs Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]     ` <20171006133203.22803-2-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-20 23:32       ` Sinan Kaya
2017-11-02 16:20         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-08 17:50       ` Bharat Kumar Gogada
2017-11-09 12:13         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]         ` <BLUPR0201MB150538FDD455F6042803B54FA5560-hRBPhS1iNj/g9tdZWAsUFxrHTHEw16jenBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-09 12:16           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]             ` <16b6ba80-b15b-b278-0d06-350ae0201e82-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-13 11:06               ` Bharat Kumar Gogada
2017-10-23 11:04     ` Liu, Yi L
2017-10-23 12:17       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]         ` <7aaf9851-9546-f34d-1496-cbeea404abbd-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-25 18:05           ` Raj, Ashok
2017-10-30 10:28             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-22  3:15     ` Bob Liu
2017-11-22 13:04       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]         ` <42f815ee-2a9a-ac49-2392-5c03c1d4c809-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 10:33           ` Bob Liu
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 04/36] iommu/process: Track process changes with an mmu_notifier Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 05/36] iommu/process: Bind and unbind process to and from devices Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-11 11:33     ` Joerg Roedel
2017-10-12 11:13       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]         ` <ee7f80e3-ca30-0ee7-53f3-3e57b2b58df6-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 12:47           ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]     ` <20171006133203.22803-6-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-21 15:47       ` Sinan Kaya
     [not found]         ` <683a518d-0e22-c855-2416-2e097ec3291d-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-02 16:21           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-29  6:08     ` Yisheng Xie
2017-11-29 15:01       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-30  1:11         ` Yisheng Xie
2017-11-30 13:39           ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-01-19  4:52     ` Sinan Kaya
     [not found]       ` <0772e71e-4861-1e7b-f248-88aaba8bf2fc-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-01-19 10:27         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2018-01-19 13:07           ` okaya
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 06/36] iommu: Extend fault reporting Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 07/36] iommu: Add a fault handler Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 08/36] iommu/fault: Handle mm faults Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 13/36] iommu/of: Add stall and pasid properties to iommu_fwspec Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 19/36] arm64: mm: Pin down ASIDs for sharing contexts with devices Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 20/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Track ASID state Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 21/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Implement process operations Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-09  3:32     ` Yisheng Xie
2017-11-09 12:08       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 23/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Share process page tables Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 28/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Maintain a SID->device structure Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 29/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add stall support for platform devices Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 30/36] ACPI/IORT: Check ATS capability in root complex nodes Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:32   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 34/36] PCI: Make "PRG Response PASID Required" handling common Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]     ` <20171006133203.22803-35-jean-philippe.brucker-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-06 18:11       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2017-10-06 13:32   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 35/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add support for PRI Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 22/36] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Factor out ARM LPAE register defines Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 24/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Steal private ASID from a domain Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 25/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Use shared ASID set Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 26/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add support for Hardware Translation Table Update Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-12-06  6:51   ` Yisheng Xie
     [not found]     ` <d2ec2e61-f758-0394-41d2-555ae65feb0d-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-12-06 11:06       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 27/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Register fault workqueue Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 31/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add support for PCI ATS Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-11-16 14:19   ` Bharat Kumar Gogada
     [not found]     ` <BLUPR0201MB150565029F9260A528739ACBA52E0-hRBPhS1iNj/g9tdZWAsUFxrHTHEw16jenBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-16 15:03       ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]         ` <673fda01-2ae0-87e4-637e-fe27096b6be0-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-17  6:11           ` Bharat Kumar Gogada
     [not found]             ` <BLUPR0201MB1505BC86D3838D13F38665E7A52F0-hRBPhS1iNj/g9tdZWAsUFxrHTHEw16jenBOFsp37pqbUKgpGm//BTAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-17 11:39               ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:31 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 32/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Hook ATC invalidation to process ops Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:32 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 33/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Disable tagged pointers Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-06 13:32 ` [RFCv2 PATCH 36/36] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add support for PCI PASID Jean-Philippe Brucker
2017-10-09  9:49 ` Yisheng Xie [this message]
2017-10-09 11:36   ` [RFCv2 PATCH 00/36] Process management for IOMMU + SVM for SMMUv3 Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]     ` <0fecd29e-eaf7-9503-b087-7bfbc251da88-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 12:05       ` Yisheng Xie
2017-10-12 12:55         ` Jean-Philippe Brucker
     [not found]           ` <8a1e090d-22e8-0295-a53f-bc3b5b7d7971-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-10-12 15:28             ` Jordan Crouse
2017-11-08  1:21           ` Bob Liu
2017-11-08 10:50             ` Jean-Philippe Brucker

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