From: Michael Ellerman <michael-Gsx/Oe8HsFggBc27wqDAHg@public.gmane.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Milton Miller <miltonm-ogEGBHC/i9Y@public.gmane.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Andres Salomon <dilinger-pFFUokh25LWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v2)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:02:15 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1290078135.22575.4.camel@concordia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118083420.GC26398-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
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On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 09:34 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * H. Peter Anvin <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> > On 11/14/2010 11:02 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > >
> > > * H. Peter Anvin <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> What? What is wrong with static variables in functions? It really doesn't seem
> > >> to be a good idea to make them file-scope if they don't need to be.
> > >
> > > They are very easy to overlook and mix up with regular stack variables and i've seen
> > > (and introduced myself) a number of bugs due to them.
> > >
> > > They also often are used in buggy ways (with SMP not taken into consideration), so
> > > overlooking them during review compounds their negative effects. Putting them in
> > > front of the function isnt a big deal in exchange.
> > >
> > > There are people who never overlook them (like yourself), but my brain is wired up
> > > differently.
> > >
> >
> > However, I have to vehemently object to putting them in a wider scope
> > than is otherwise necessary. I agree that static variables should be
> > used sparsely if at all (there really are vary few uses of them that are
> > valid), but putting them in a larger scope screams "I'm used in more
> > than one function", and that is *not* a good thing.
>
> That's why we sometimes use the (imperfect) compromise to put them in front of that
> function, not at the top of the file.
>
> Look at the general balance of hardship: very little harm is done (it's not a big
> deal if a variable is only used in a single function) but having it with local
> variables can be _really_ harmful - for example i overlooked them when i reviewed
> this patch. I dont like important details obscured - i like them to be apparent.
> Again, this is something that some people can parse immediately on the visual level
> - me and many others cannot.
What about:
int foo(void)
{
static int bar;
struct thing_struct *thing;
int other_var;
char *p;
...
}
I think the visual wrongness of that formatting would be enough for me
to stop and look twice. Though I guess it doesn't work if you have few,
or no other variables other than the statics to declare.
cheers
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2010-11-12 5:45 [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v2) Andres Salomon
2010-11-12 7:48 ` Milton Miller
[not found] ` <reply-olpc-3-v2-kM9DGJe42AJBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-12 8:27 ` Andres Salomon
2010-11-14 9:50 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20101114095013.GB24206-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-15 4:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <4CE0B54E.6000101-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-15 7:02 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20101115070254.GA25243-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-15 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <4CE17133.2050101-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-17 6:12 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v3) Andres Salomon
2010-11-29 23:39 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v4) Andres Salomon
2010-11-18 8:34 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v2) Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20101118083420.GC26398-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 11:02 ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2010-11-18 15:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <4CE54064.6010702-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 17:41 ` Andres Salomon
[not found] ` <20101118094153.4515cbc2-pFFUokh25LWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 17:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <4CE5670B.1060300-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 20:24 ` Andres Salomon
2010-12-23 11:57 ` Ingo Molnar
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