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From: Michael Ellerman <michael-Gsx/Oe8HsFggBc27wqDAHg@public.gmane.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Milton Miller <miltonm-ogEGBHC/i9Y@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Andres Salomon <dilinger-pFFUokh25LWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v2)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:02:15 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1290078135.22575.4.camel@concordia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118083420.GC26398-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>


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On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 09:34 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * H. Peter Anvin <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> > On 11/14/2010 11:02 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > 
> > > * H. Peter Anvin <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> What?  What is wrong with static variables in functions?  It really doesn't seem 
> > >> to be a good idea to make them file-scope if they don't need to be.
> > > 
> > > They are very easy to overlook and mix up with regular stack variables and i've seen 
> > > (and introduced myself) a number of bugs due to them.
> > > 
> > > They also often are used in buggy ways (with SMP not taken into consideration), so 
> > > overlooking them during review compounds their negative effects. Putting them in 
> > > front of the function isnt a big deal in exchange.
> > > 
> > > There are people who never overlook them (like yourself), but my brain is wired up 
> > > differently.
> > > 
> > 
> > However, I have to vehemently object to putting them in a wider scope
> > than is otherwise necessary.  I agree that static variables should be
> > used sparsely if at all (there really are vary few uses of them that are
> > valid), but putting them in a larger scope screams "I'm used in more
> > than one function", and that is *not* a good thing.
> 
> That's why we sometimes use the (imperfect) compromise to put them in front of that 
> function, not at the top of the file.
> 
> Look at the general balance of hardship: very little harm is done (it's not a big 
> deal if a variable is only used in a single function) but having it with local 
> variables can be _really_ harmful - for example i overlooked them when i reviewed 
> this patch. I dont like important details obscured - i like them to be apparent. 
> Again, this is something that some people can parse immediately on the visual level 
> - me and many others cannot.

What about:

int foo(void)
{
	static int bar;

	struct thing_struct *thing;
	int other_var;
	char *p;

	...
}

I think the visual wrongness of that formatting would be enough for me
to stop and look twice. Though I guess it doesn't work if you have few,
or no other variables other than the statics to declare.

cheers


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Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-12  5:45 [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v2) Andres Salomon
2010-11-12  7:48 ` Milton Miller
     [not found]   ` <reply-olpc-3-v2-kM9DGJe42AJBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-12  8:27     ` Andres Salomon
2010-11-14  9:50       ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <20101114095013.GB24206-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-15  4:21           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <4CE0B54E.6000101-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-15  7:02               ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                 ` <20101115070254.GA25243-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-15 17:43                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                     ` <4CE17133.2050101-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-17  6:12                       ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v3) Andres Salomon
2010-11-29 23:39                         ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v4) Andres Salomon
2010-11-18  8:34                       ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: OLPC: speed up device tree creation during boot (v2) Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                         ` <20101118083420.GC26398-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 11:02                           ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2010-11-18 15:04                             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                               ` <4CE54064.6010702-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 17:41                                 ` Andres Salomon
     [not found]                                   ` <20101118094153.4515cbc2-pFFUokh25LWsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 17:48                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                       ` <4CE5670B.1060300-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 20:24                                         ` Andres Salomon
2010-12-23 11:57                         ` Ingo Molnar

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