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From: Philipp Zabel <p.zabel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Peter Rosin <peda-koto5C5qi+TLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 00/11] mux controller abstraction and iio/i2c muxes
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 18:32:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1493137977.2394.42.camel@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e53bbf82-793f-b22f-2e9b-4bd377446351-koto5C5qi+TLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, 2017-04-25 at 16:55 +0200, Peter Rosin wrote:
> On 2017-04-25 16:16, Peter Rosin wrote:
> > On 2017-04-24 16:59, Philipp Zabel wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2017-04-24 at 16:36 +0200, Peter Rosin wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>>> How about an atomic use_count on the mux_control, a bool shared that is
> >>>> only set by the first consumer, and controls whether selecting locks?
> >>>
> >>> That has the drawback that it is hard to restore the mux-control in a safe
> >>> way so that exclusive consumers are allowed after the last shared consumer
> >>> puts the mux away.
> >>
> >> True.
> >>
> >>> Agreed, it's a corner case, but I had this very similar
> >>> patch going through the compiler when I got this mail. Does it work as well
> >>> as what you suggested?
> >>
> >> Yes, this patch works just as well.
> > 
> > Right, as expected :-) However, I don't like it much. It divides the mux
> > consumers into two camps in a way that makes it difficult to select which
> > camp a consumer should be in.
> > 
> > E.g. consider the iio-mux. The current implementation only supports quick
> > accesses that fit the mux_control_get_shared case. But if that mux in the
> > future needs to grow continuous buffered accesses, I think there will be
> > pressure to switch it over to the exclusive mode. Because that is a lot
> > closer to what you are doing with the video-mux. And then what? It will be
> > impossible to predict if the end user is going to use buffered accesses or
> > not...
> > 
> > So, I think the best approach is to skip the distinction between shared
> > and exclusive consumers and instead implement the locking with an ordinary
> > semaphore (instead of the old rwsem or the current mutex). Semaphores don't
> > have the property that the same task should down/up them (mutexes require
> > that for lock/unlock, and is also the reason for the lockdep complaint) and
> > thus fits better for long-time use such as yours or the above iio-mux with
> > buffered accesses. It should also hopefully be cheaper that an rwsem, and
> > not have any downgrade_write calls thus possibly keeping Greg sufficiently
> > happy...

No idea whether this will placate Greg, but it does work for the
video-mux case.
The documentation for mux_control_(try_)select should mention that these
calls will hold the mux lock until deselect is called, and the
documentation for mux_control_select should probably mention that it
will block until the lock is released.

> > Sure, consumers can still dig themselves into a hole by not calling deselect
> > as they should, but at least I think it can be made to work w/o dividing the
> > consumers...
> 
> Like this (only compile-tested). Philipp, it should work the same as with
> the rwsem in v13 and earlier. At least for your case...

regards
Philipp

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-25 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-24  8:36 [PATCH v14 00/11] mux controller abstraction and iio/i2c muxes Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 02/11] dt-bindings: document devicetree bindings for mux-controllers and gpio-mux Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 03/11] mux: minimal mux subsystem Peter Rosin
     [not found] ` <1493022995-16917-1-git-send-email-peda-koto5C5qi+TLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-24  8:36   ` [PATCH v14 01/11] devres: trivial whitespace fix Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36   ` [PATCH v14 04/11] mux: gpio: add mux controller driver for gpio based multiplexers Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 05/11] iio: inkern: api for manipulating ext_info of iio channels Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 06/11] dt-bindings: iio: io-channel-mux: document io-channel-mux bindings Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 07/11] iio: multiplexer: new iio category and iio-mux driver Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 08/11] dt-bindings: i2c: i2c-mux: document general purpose i2c-mux bindings Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 09/11] i2c: i2c-mux-gpmux: new driver Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 10/11] dt-bindings: mux-adg792a: document devicetree bindings for ADG792A/G mux Peter Rosin
2017-04-24  8:36 ` [PATCH v14 11/11] mux: adg792a: add mux controller driver for ADG792A/G Peter Rosin
2017-04-24 10:52 ` [PATCH v14 00/11] mux controller abstraction and iio/i2c muxes Philipp Zabel
     [not found]   ` <1493031179.2446.9.camel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-24 11:37     ` Peter Rosin
2017-04-24 12:38       ` Philipp Zabel
2017-04-24 14:10       ` Philipp Zabel
     [not found]         ` <1493043046.2446.37.camel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-24 14:36           ` Peter Rosin
2017-04-24 14:59             ` Philipp Zabel
     [not found]               ` <1493045969.2446.47.camel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-25 14:16                 ` Peter Rosin
2017-04-25 14:55                   ` Peter Rosin
     [not found]                     ` <e53bbf82-793f-b22f-2e9b-4bd377446351-koto5C5qi+TLoDKTGw+V6w@public.gmane.org>
2017-04-25 16:32                       ` Philipp Zabel [this message]

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