From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Robert Schwebel Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:42:17 +0200 Message-ID: <20090528134217.GB6805@pengutronix.de> References: <20090527162000.GM6805@pengutronix.de> <20090527234801.GP6805@pengutronix.de> <4A1DD3A0.3010501@freescale.com> <20090528000707.GR6805@pengutronix.de> <20090528095126.99DB4832E416@gemini.denx.de> <20090528101339.GV6805@pengutronix.de> <9e4733910905280633u15546189q37a4b4080158249c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9e4733910905280633u15546189q37a4b4080158249c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: devicetree-discuss-bounces+gldd-devicetree-discuss=m.gmane.org-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org Errors-To: devicetree-discuss-bounces+gldd-devicetree-discuss=m.gmane.org-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org To: Jon Smirl Cc: devicetree-discuss , Wolfgang Denk , linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, Timur Tabi , Scott Wood , Janboe Ye , linux-arm-kernel-xIg/pKzrS19vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org, rmk-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org List-Id: devicetree@vger.kernel.org On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:33:28AM -0400, Jon Smirl wrote: > > Wolfgang, you know me long enough to realize that this argument is > > *crap*. > > > > Talking about business cases, it has turned out to be extremely > > difficult to explain customers that the effort for the actual > > functionality is only a little percentage of the work necessary to do > > the oftree stuff right. The functionality has often worked after a few > > hours, and until all oftrees have been solved, it often takes weeks. > > > > In result, this has already led to customers concluding that > > > > - mainline is not worth the effort > > And as an indirect customer of yours (via Phytec) I am spending a > bunch of time submitting code you wrote to mainline. By not submitting > code to mainline you prevent me from getting to security patches that > have been made to later kernels. "port and forget" is evil should be > banned. This is absurd. Check http://remword.com/kps_result/2_6_30_whole.html http://remword.com/kps_result/2_6_29_whole.html and I suppose our commitment to mainlining should be out of question, also taking into account that all of this is done by a kernel team of six people. Nevertheless, nobody has infinite time, sorry. rsc -- Pengutronix e.K. | | Industrial Linux Solutions | http://www.pengutronix.de/ | Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0 | Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686 | Fax: +49-5121-206917-5555 |