From: Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
sodaville-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
<bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [sodaville] [PATCH 02/11] x86: Add device tree support
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:52:54 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110103175254.GD2522@angua.secretlab.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D21F718.8010600-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:19:36AM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On 01/03/2011 08:05 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > On 12/30/2010 12:58 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
> >>
> >> Right, but in all of those cases a boot wrapper provides the same
> >> functionality with better flexability, such as being able to provided
> >> the dtb image(s) at install time instead of compile time.
> >>
> >
> > Assuming the boot wrapper is written correctly. I have seen a number of
> > cases in which it was not, and it being "already locked into firmware"
> > and not changeable.
> >
> > It's a nice theory. And in theory, theory and practice agree.
> >
>
> By the way, this is the same reason we also allow the initramfs and even
> the command line to be compiled in.
I think we've got an impedance mismatch.
The whole point of the ppc boot wrapper, and the kind of boot wrapper
that I'm talking about here, is that it becomes part of the kernel
image and is *not* part of firmware. ie. an executable wrapper which
carries the kernel as it's payload. I'm wary too of depending of
firmware to get things right because it can be so painful to change.
g.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-03 17:52 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <1290706801-7323-1-git-send-email-bigeasy@linutronix.de>
[not found] ` <1290706801-7323-1-git-send-email-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 02/11] x86: Add device tree support Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <1290706801-7323-3-git-send-email-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-25 22:53 ` Sam Ravnborg
[not found] ` <20101125225337.GA21223-OoSGOWW0KRunlFQ6Q1D1Y0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-26 9:06 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-26 21:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-28 13:49 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <20101128134907.GA30784-Hfxr4Dq0UpYb1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-28 22:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-12-30 8:26 ` Grant Likely
2010-12-30 8:45 ` Rob Landley
[not found] ` <AANLkTin2=T=v0ZNOpAGhwuM0i9Ts8Xr+kRtEJ95VGeOp-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-30 20:58 ` Grant Likely
2011-01-03 16:05 ` [sodaville] " H. Peter Anvin
2011-01-03 16:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <4D21F718.8010600-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2011-01-03 17:52 ` Grant Likely [this message]
2011-01-03 18:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <4D22103C.2080705-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2011-01-03 18:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <20101230082654.GB11721-MrY2KI0G/OVr83L8+7iqerDks+cytr/Z@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-30 20:57 ` Grant Likely
2010-12-31 0:51 ` [sodaville] " H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 03/11] x86/dtb: Add a device tree for CE4100 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <1290706801-7323-4-git-send-email-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-26 21:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-28 16:04 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <20101128160449.GC30784-Hfxr4Dq0UpYb1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-28 22:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-29 1:34 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-11-29 18:26 ` [sodaville] " H. Peter Anvin
2010-11-29 20:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] ` <4CF30327.9020408-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-29 19:44 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <4CF402AD.2060000-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-12-02 0:40 ` David Gibson
2010-11-29 19:07 ` Scott Wood
2010-11-29 20:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-29 20:32 ` Mitch Bradley
[not found] ` <4CF40DF4.9060204-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-29 20:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-29 21:32 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-11-29 23:47 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20101129234735.4ce3a933-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-30 2:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-30 11:20 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-30 11:51 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <4CF4E54D.5040403-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-30 20:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-29 23:42 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-30 21:18 ` [sodaville] " H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <20101129130720.7d060e1c-N/eSCTBpGwP7j4BuCOFQISmX4OfbXNuMKnGXBo5VDl8@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-29 23:58 ` David Gibson
2010-11-29 19:36 ` [sodaville] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-29 20:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-29 2:22 ` David Gibson
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 04/11] x86/dtb: add irq host abstraction Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-25 19:30 ` Jon Loeliger
[not found] ` <E1PLhWV-0004y7-44-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-26 14:19 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <4CEFC1EC.7030507-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-26 21:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-12-01 10:31 ` [sodaville] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-27 3:11 ` Jon Loeliger
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 05/11] x86/dtb: add early parsing of APIC and IO APIC Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 06/11] x86/dtb: add support hpet Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 07/11] x86/dtb: add support for PCI devices backed by dtb nodes Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <1290706801-7323-8-git-send-email-bigeasy-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-27 22:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-11-28 14:04 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
[not found] ` <20101128140436.GB30784-Hfxr4Dq0UpYb1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-28 22:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-12-02 16:17 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 08/11] x86/dtb: Add generic bus probe Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2010-11-25 17:39 ` [PATCH 09/11] x86/ioapic: Add OF bindings for IO-APIC Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
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