From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>
Cc: patches@linaro.org, Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>,
devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] arm/mx5: parse iomuxc pad configuratoin from device tree
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 04:47:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110806034718.GA10078@sirena.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E3C7D3E.7040502@firmworks.com>
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 01:31:10PM -1000, Mitch Bradley wrote:
> On 8/5/2011 12:58 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
> >We've had this argument before. There are many use cases where the
> >firmware simply cannot be relied upon to do the right thing.
> I am a firmware engineer who tries very hard to deliver quality
> firmware that does the right thing. It often seems to me that the
> Linux kernel community's general distrust of firmware is a
> self-fulfilling prophecy. People often "live down to expectations";
> if Linux expects the firmware to be worthless, worthless is often
> what you get.
> In the PC BIOS world, the quality of BIOSes went up dramatically
> when Microsoft began insisting that the BIOS must meet stringent
> standards, enforced via an exhaustive suite of compatibility tests.
It's not just quality concerns, although obviously that is a serious
issue, it's also a totally different way of designing and building
systems. A bootloader update will tend to brick the board if it goes
wrong so you want to minimize the amount of code in it, and you're going
to be doing updates to things like pin configuration throughout the
development cycle which often need to be done in lock step with the
drivers using them. Even if the bootloader works perfectly and is of
excellent quality it's just more effort and risk to put functionality in
there.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-06 3:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-07-25 15:07 [PATCH 0/2] Add device tree support for i.mx53 boards Shawn Guo
[not found] ` <1311606467-28985-1-git-send-email-shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-07-25 15:07 ` [PATCH 1/2] arm/mx5: parse iomuxc pad configuratoin from device tree Shawn Guo
[not found] ` <1311606467-28985-2-git-send-email-shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-07-25 20:46 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20110725204630.GD26735-e0URQFbLeQY2iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2011-07-26 2:43 ` Shawn Guo
[not found] ` <20110726024354.GI21641-+NayF8gZjK2ctlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2011-07-26 6:29 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26 16:34 ` Shawn Guo
2011-07-31 4:02 ` Grant Likely
2011-07-26 11:19 ` Eric Miao
2011-08-04 23:07 ` Matt Sealey
[not found] ` <CAKGA1bmbWUeyhUtDwHZjB8V4e2wJ0NHX2qWhqaqx6HoBm7uMnQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-05 7:07 ` David Brown
[not found] ` <20110805070729.GA26563-AOX6H5vLt3Uj8izMo0bVsAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-05 18:36 ` Matt Sealey
2011-08-05 20:26 ` Scott Wood
2011-08-05 20:36 ` David Brown
[not found] ` <20110805203629.GB6991-AOX6H5vLt3Uj8izMo0bVsAC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-05 21:29 ` Matt Sealey
2011-08-05 21:48 ` Scott Wood
2011-08-06 17:41 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <CAKGA1bkM6X533w20hDV7GCPwzzj2nrjGdN6zkXsS+hCvUD_s2A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-07 16:23 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-08-05 22:58 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20110805225845.GC6404-e0URQFbLeQY2iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-05 23:31 ` Mitch Bradley
2011-08-06 3:47 ` Mark Brown [this message]
2011-08-07 11:15 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26 6:31 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26 16:39 ` Shawn Guo
2011-07-26 6:39 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-07-26 16:41 ` Shawn Guo
2011-07-25 15:07 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm/mx5: add device tree support for imx53 boards Shawn Guo
[not found] ` <1311606467-28985-3-git-send-email-shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-07-25 20:57 ` Grant Likely
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