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From: "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Linus Torvalds
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Cc: Nicolas Pitre
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	Stephen Rothwell <sfr-3FnU+UHB4dNDw9hX6IcOSA@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] ata: Don't use NO_IRQ in pata_of_platform driver
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:59:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111206205955.GH4585@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwZBr+3_S9kU-+m8zN8iwOvn2miuuAy-zt7sUjW_+abBg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Hello Linus,

On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:20:49AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux
> <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >
> > But.. let's make one thing clear: Alan Cox and Linus have been going on
> > about how IRQ0 should not be used.  Let's be crystal clear: even x86
> > uses IRQ0.
> 
> Not for any device driver, though.
> 
> It's used entirely internally, and it doesn't even use
> "request_irq()". It uses the magic internal "setup_irq()" and never
> *ever* exposes irq0 as anything that a driver can see.
> 
> That's what matters. You can use irq0 in ARM land all you like, AS
> LONG AS IT'S SOME HIDDEN INTERNAL USE. No drivers. No *nothing* that
> ever uses that absolutely *idiotic* NO_IRQ crap.
> 
> In fact, you may be *forced* to use what is "physically" irq0 - it's
> just that you should never expose it as such to drivers. And x86
> doesn't.
> 
> So Russell, if you think this has anything to do with NO_IRQ, and how
> x86 isn't doing things right, you're wrong. It's just like the
> internal exception thing, or the magical "cascade interrupt", or the
> "x87 exception mapped through the PIC". They are magic hidden
> interrupts that are set up in one place (well, one place *each*), and
> are never exposed anywhere else.
Well there is try_misrouted_irq in kernel/irq/spurious.c that assumes
irq0 to be something that it never is on ARM (and maybe all other
platforms apart from x86). So at least it's not internal to a single
(x86 specific) place.

I tried to patch that two years ago, but that only ended in people
saying "don't use irq0". I don't know if try_misrouted_irq sees hardware
irqs, but if it does it's a bug even on archs != X86 that use virtual
irqs.

(Note that this doesn't oppose to your statement that using NO_IRQ is
crap.)

> The problem with NO_IRQ is that stupid "we expose our mind-numbingly
> stupid interfaces across the whole kernel".
> 
> x86 never did that.  ARM still does. x86 doesn't have to fix anything. ARM does.

Best regards
Uwe

-- 
Pengutronix e.K.                           | Uwe Kleine-König            |
Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  |

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-12-06 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20111011201127.455df266dcbffb1d621f8576@canb.auug.org.au>
     [not found] ` <4E94A920.40503@xenotime.net>
     [not found]   ` <4E987829.3080104@xenotime.net>
     [not found]     ` <20111110135703.GA23609@elte.hu>
2011-11-10 15:18       ` [PATCH] ata: Fix build error in pata_of_platform (NO_IRQ usage) Anton Vorontsov
2011-11-10 15:25         ` [PATCH 1/2] of/irq: Get rid of NO_IRQ usage Anton Vorontsov
2011-12-06 21:22           ` Rob Herring
2011-12-06 21:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-12-06 23:16               ` [PATCH v3] " Anton Vorontsov
2011-12-07  3:51                 ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                   ` <1323268911-6104-1-git-send-email-robherring2@gmail.com>
2011-12-07 16:05                     ` [RFC PATCH] microblaze/irq: Change NO_IRQ to 0 Linus Torvalds
2011-12-07 16:39                       ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                     ` <1323268911-6104-1-git-send-email-robherring2-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-07 15:02                       ` Grant Likely
2011-12-09 11:45                       ` Michal Simek
     [not found]                 ` <20111206231626.GA31683-wnGakbxT3iijyJ0x5qLZdcN33GVbZNy3@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-07  9:52                   ` [PATCH v3] of/irq: Get rid of NO_IRQ usage Wolfram Sang
2011-11-10 15:26         ` [PATCH 2/2] ata: Don't use NO_IRQ in pata_of_platform driver Anton Vorontsov
2011-11-10 15:38           ` Alan Cox
2011-11-10 16:28             ` [PATCH] " Anton Vorontsov
2011-11-10 20:34               ` Jeff Garzik
2011-12-02 19:19               ` Dave Martin
2011-12-02 22:34                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2011-12-02 22:40                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2011-12-02 22:46                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2011-12-02 22:40                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-12-02 23:18                     ` [PATCH v2] of/irq: Get rid of NO_IRQ usage Anton Vorontsov
2011-12-02 23:22                 ` [PATCH] ata: Don't use NO_IRQ in pata_of_platform driver Alan Cox
2011-12-03 18:56                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-12-02 19:26               ` Dave Martin
2011-12-02 19:28                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-12-02 23:12                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-12-05 16:11                     ` Dave Martin
2011-12-05 17:40                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-12-05 18:02                         ` Dave Martin
2011-12-05 18:15                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-12-05 18:18                           ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.LFD.2.02.1112051310150.2357-QuJgVwGFrdf/9pzu0YdTqQ@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-05 18:45                               ` Alan Cox
2011-12-05 19:19                                 ` James Bottomley
2011-12-06  6:13                                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
     [not found]                                   ` <20111206061321.GH9192-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-06 11:34                                     ` Alan Cox
2011-12-05 19:16                               ` Rob Herring
2011-12-05 20:21                                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2011-12-05 20:47                                   ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                                     ` <4EDD2DE1.1050606-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-05 20:53                                       ` Alan Cox
2011-12-06  9:30                                     ` Dave Martin
     [not found]                                       ` <20111206093000.GA2274-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-06 10:34                                         ` Alan Cox
2011-12-06 10:55                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-12-05 19:26                             ` Dave Martin
2011-12-05 19:49                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-12-06  9:37                                 ` Dave Martin
     [not found]                                   ` <20111206093709.GB2274-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-06 10:46                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-12-06 11:00                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-12-06 11:03                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-12-06 11:10                                         ` Alan Cox
2011-12-06 11:05                                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                         ` <20111206110554.53bddd14-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-06 11:25                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-12-06 12:11                                             ` Alan Cox
2011-12-06 11:37                                       ` Dave Martin
2011-12-06 11:49                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-12-06 13:25                                           ` Dave Martin
2011-12-06 19:56                                           ` Rob Herring
2011-12-06 19:20                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-12-06 20:00                                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                                         ` <CA+55aFwZBr+3_S9kU-+m8zN8iwOvn2miuuAy-zt7sUjW_+abBg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-06 20:59                                           ` Uwe Kleine-König [this message]
2011-12-06 19:11                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
     [not found]                       ` <20111205161157.GA27550-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2011-12-05 17:41                         ` Alan Cox
2011-11-10 15:35         ` [PATCH] ata: Fix build error in pata_of_platform (NO_IRQ usage) Alan Cox

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