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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
Cc: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>, Michal Marek <mmarek@suse.cz>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren@nvidia.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:54:33 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121010235433.GI28467@truffula.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5075C254.4040304@wwwdotorg.org>

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:45:40PM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 10/10/2012 12:23 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
> > On 10/10/2012 7:09 AM, Rob Herring wrote:
> >> On 10/09/2012 04:16 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> >>> On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
> >>>>
> >>>> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
> >>> process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon exactly
> >>> what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be easy
> >>> enough to recognize it when one sees it?
> >>
> >> Rather than repeating things over and over in reviews, we should
> >> document at least rules we can easily agree on and then add to it when
> >> people get "creative." Also, I can't keep up with every single binding
> >> review as is, and this could just add another level of complexity to the
> >> review. A few off the top of my head and from the thread discussion:
> >>
> >> - Headers must be self contained with no outside (i.e. libc, kernel,
> >> etc.) header dependencies.
> >> - No kernel kconfig option usage
> >> - No gcc built-in define usage
> >> - No unused items (i.e. externs, structs, etc.)
> >> - No macro concatenation
> >> - No macros for strings or property names
> > 
> > Instead of making a bunch of rules about how you can only use a small
> > subset of cpp, why not just add a "define name value" command to DTC?
> 
> I implemented a patch to do exactly that, and it was rejected because it

Well... more indefinitely postponed, rather than rejected.  Which you
would be entirely justified in seeing as a meaningless semantic
difference at this point.

> only solved part of the problem (named constants) and not the reset (a
> completely generic macro language/... within dtc). The argument was that
> defining just the named constant syntax on its own without knowing what
> the unspecified future macro language will look like might result in the
> named constant syntax not fitting into it.
> 
> That all said, I now think that using cpp is actually a much better
> solution that adding yet more dtc-specific syntax. The *huge* benefit
> here is that it allows you to share .h files between *.dts and C code,
> so you don't have to write out the same set of #defines once in dtc
> syntax and once in cpp syntax.

Right, I tend to agree.  In addition to those reasons, it avoids
creating yet another micro-language, and it obeys the #1 guiding
principle for dts syntax which is "don't surprise C programmers".

That said, there are a number of number of dtc extensions that would
make cpp-ability more useful.  The integer expression support that has
already gone in was a start on that, but richer expressions
(particularly strings and bytestrings) would be useful too.  Support
for invoking cpp automatically from within dtc would make that support
easier to use too.

I really would like to be working more actively on those things, but
unfortunately I don't have that much time free for dtc work.

-- 
David Gibson			| I'll have my music baroque, and my code
david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au	| minimalist, thank you.  NOT _the_ _other_
				| _way_ _around_!
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-10 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-28 21:25 [PATCH] dtc: import latest upstream dtc Stephen Warren
2012-09-29 21:06 ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 16:09 ` Rob Herring
     [not found]   ` <5069C042.40209-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 16:13     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]       ` <5069C11C.6040505-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 17:56         ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 18:33           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]             ` <5069E1F0.5070902-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 18:39               ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                 ` <E1TIktZ-0000U4-Qh-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-09 21:16                   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                     ` <50749441.8030307-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-09 23:20                       ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10  0:04                         ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10  4:43                           ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10  7:24                             ` David Gibson
     [not found]                               ` <20121010072401.GA28467-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 14:41                                 ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 23:06                                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:16                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:33                                 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 16:19                                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 17:18                                     ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 18:42                                       ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                   ` <5075954B.8030008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 23:16                                     ` David Gibson
2012-10-11  1:42                                       ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                         ` <50762409.5060105-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-11  5:11                                           ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                 ` <50759152.9050407-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 23:09                                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:15                           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 16:09                             ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 16:22                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 23:18                                 ` David Gibson
2012-10-12 17:24                                   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                     ` <5078525B.9030008-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-13  6:24                                       ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                         ` <20121013062453.GH4640-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-13 13:42                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]                                             ` <3C5DD611-6F36-4D13-9A88-377A8E30AAA5-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-14  0:16                                               ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 17:09                     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                       ` <5075ABB8.103-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:23                         ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                           ` <5075BD21.2070106-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:45                             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                               ` <5075C254.4040304-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:56                                 ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-11  0:14                                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:54                               ` David Gibson [this message]
2012-10-10 18:40                       ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                         ` <5075C10C.1030205-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:52                           ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-01 18:02     ` Jon Loeliger

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