From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: "luke.leighton" <luke.leighton@gmail.com>
Cc: Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa@gmail.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Linux on small ARM machines <arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk>,
devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org>,
Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
debian-arm@lists.debian.org,
"jonsmirl@gmail.com" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
debian-kernel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [Arm-netbook] getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1))
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:02:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130606140250.GA4839@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPweEDzYLDzh_-OWU61dtVhajZ40QpQgZKHFYDsh3FgF=r9_ag@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 01:24:57PM +0100, luke.leighton wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't see any other solution here than moving all the Allwinner code to
> > DT (as it has been suggested in this thread several times already), as
> > this is the only hardware description method supported by ARM Linux.
>
> i repeat again: please state, explicitly and unequivocably that you -
> linux kernel developers - are happy that the reach of linux and
> gnu/linux OSes is dramatically reduced due to this intransigent
> position.
But that's not a true statement. You've said that Allwinner is
perfectly happy to carry code out of tree, by constantly porting their
hacks from mainline kernels.
For some of their customers, this will be acceptable to them. In
those cases, Linux will still be in use. Great! So claiming that the
reach of Linux will be "dramatically reduced" just is not a
supportable position.
For other (potential) customers, for whom mainline kernel support is
critically important, they will choose other hardware solutions that
are in the mainline kernel.
I don't see the problem here.
- Ted
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[not found] ` <CAPweEDx3mAy40BZrzrKPRbvg7vKMj7KevDQ3m_v4p6Yo50eSGg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-05 20:46 ` getting allwinner SoC support upstream (was Re: Uploading linux (3.9.4-1)) jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-06-05 21:00 ` Stephen Warren
2013-06-05 21:16 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-05 22:07 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2013-06-06 8:16 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2013-06-05 22:22 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-06-05 21:24 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2013-06-05 21:38 ` Lennart Sorensen
2013-06-05 22:10 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-05 21:59 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-05 22:47 ` [Arm-netbook] " luke.leighton
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2013-06-05 23:07 ` jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-06-05 23:26 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-05 23:28 ` [Arm-netbook] " jonsmirl
2013-06-05 23:40 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-05 23:54 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-06 0:01 ` [Arm-netbook] " Tomasz Figa
2013-06-06 9:27 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-06-06 10:02 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-06-07 18:26 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 18:59 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-06-07 19:14 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 21:29 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-08 8:28 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-06-08 9:08 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-09 22:09 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-09 22:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-09 23:30 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 22:08 ` Maxime Ripard
2013-06-07 23:07 ` luke.leighton
[not found] ` <CAPweEDwFHY_AbBxjspm7BvfdFHsxL5H594cFN4ZVC6QFpu4QGA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 23:09 ` Dennis Lan (dlan)
2013-06-07 23:17 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-06 9:49 ` Mark Brown
2013-06-06 12:24 ` luke.leighton
[not found] ` <CAPweEDzYLDzh_-OWU61dtVhajZ40QpQgZKHFYDsh3FgF=r9_ag-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 12:43 ` [Arm-netbook] " Tomasz Figa
2013-06-06 12:49 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-06 13:02 ` [Arm-netbook] " Tomasz Figa
2013-06-07 7:52 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 8:40 ` Vladimir Pantelic
[not found] ` <51B19C85.9090407-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 9:08 ` [Arm-netbook] " Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-06-07 8:57 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-06-07 10:32 ` Bjørn Mork
2013-06-07 19:02 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 19:16 ` Tomasz Figa
[not found] ` <CAPweEDwmgr2JbH+txDDjR_gDA2R2C1v=AuVCUVTs7RriMhZNiA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 19:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-07 21:34 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 14:30 ` Lennart Sorensen
2013-06-06 13:10 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-07 8:02 ` luke.leighton
[not found] ` <CAPweEDyYt+pN+UaFuqWL5RrHpyuq_4So-tArmx3dr=0wLS+hwQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 8:49 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-07 10:26 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-07 17:30 ` Stephen Warren
2013-06-06 14:02 ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
[not found] ` <20130606140250.GA4839-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 15:05 ` Olof Johansson
2013-06-06 0:19 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-06 12:22 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-06 12:51 ` Vladimir Pantelic
2013-06-07 7:40 ` [Arm-netbook] " luke.leighton
2013-06-07 7:48 ` Vladimir Pantelic
2013-06-07 8:06 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 8:18 ` [Arm-netbook] " Alexandre Belloni
2013-06-07 18:15 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 14:49 ` joem
2013-06-07 18:26 ` [Arm-netbook] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-07 19:18 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2013-06-07 19:31 ` Ben Hutchings
[not found] ` <CAPweEDxXnRWYK4GhSkN-PzM1hLOZPiD1MUne1Q-4FT6PJRJUtw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 19:35 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-07 21:41 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2013-06-07 20:00 ` joem
2013-06-07 9:14 ` [Arm-netbook] " Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-06-06 13:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-06-06 18:51 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-06 15:13 ` [Arm-netbook] " jonsmirl
2013-06-06 16:00 ` Olof Johansson
2013-06-06 17:28 ` Maxime Ripard
2013-06-06 18:55 ` Lennart Sorensen
2013-06-06 20:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-06-07 18:56 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 18:50 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 18:57 ` Wookey
2013-06-07 19:08 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 21:13 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 9:17 ` Barry Song
2013-06-07 18:45 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-07 18:54 ` Olof Johansson
2013-06-07 19:04 ` luke.leighton
[not found] ` <CAPweEDzeyJh+DKX=8tzrT9AnG9NqLp8nWkWFmB2Wy+JnBkqEdg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 19:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-06-05 23:40 ` jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-06-05 23:52 ` luke.leighton
2013-06-06 0:15 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-06 12:19 ` [Arm-netbook] " luke.leighton
2013-06-06 18:44 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-05 22:54 ` Stephen Warren
2013-06-05 23:15 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-06 1:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-05 21:15 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2013-06-05 21:47 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-05 22:20 ` [Arm-netbook] " luke.leighton
2013-06-06 0:23 ` Henrik Nordström
2013-06-05 21:52 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-06-05 22:38 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2013-06-05 23:27 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-06-05 23:46 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2013-06-06 15:30 ` Lennart Sorensen
2013-06-05 20:48 ` jonsmirl
2013-06-05 22:11 ` Tomasz Figa
2013-06-05 22:56 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[not found] ` <CAPweEDwyX4=Sme9kyDU64k9h3SPUHuErD8gEqfdYLGwBOocZDQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 0:35 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <CAKON4OyyRF4Z46RyJFDWUwo4L52Z8bgSH0CzDr2gDerw4iDwcw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-06 9:29 ` Thomas Petazzoni
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