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From: Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Sebastian Hesselbarth
	<sebastian.hesselbarth-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Jean-Francois Moine' <moinejf-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>,
	'Daniel Drake' <dsd-2X9k7bc8m7Mdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	dri-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	Inki Dae <inki.dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King <rmk-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Best practice device tree design for display subsystems/DRM
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:53:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130704085313.GY516@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51D53634.5040405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 10:45:40AM +0200, Sebastian Hesselbarth wrote:
> On 07/04/13 10:33, Sascha Hauer wrote:
> >
> >A componentized device never completes and it doesn't have to. A
> >componentized device can start once there is a path from an input
> >(crtc, i2s unit) to an output (connector, speaker).
> >
> >Consider what happens with a supernode approach. Your board provides a
> >devicetree which has a supernode with hdmi and lvds referenced. Now you
> >build a kernel with the hdmi driver disabled. You would still expect the
> >lvds port to be working without having the kernel wait for the supernode
> >being complete.
> >
> >Without supernode you can just start once you have everything between
> >the crtc and lvds nodes. If later a hdmi device joins in then you can
> >either notify the users (provided the DRM/KMS API supports it) or just
> >ignore it until the DRM device gets reopened.
> 
> Sascha,
> 
> that is what it is all about. You assume you a priori know what devices
> will be required for the componentized device to successfully output
> a video stream.
> 
> We have shown setups where you don't know what is required. Cubox
> _needs_ lcd0 and hdmi-transmitter,

Then your Cubox devicetree has a link (that's how they call it in v4l2,
a link doesn't necessarily is a direct connection but can have multiple
devices in it) between lcd0 and hdmi.

>  olpc just needs lcd0 and has built-in hdmi in the SoC (IIRC).

And olpc has a link with lcd0 as the source and the builtin hdmi.


> The driver needs to know what to wait for, and that is given by the DT super-node.

You need a source (described in the devicetree), a sink (also described
in the devicetree) and a link between them, nothing more.

> 
> I consider kernels with missing drivers compared to what is given in
> the DT as broken setup.

What if your devicetree describes components not yet in mainline. Would
you consider mainline kernels broken then?

Sascha


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-04  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-02 17:43 Best practice device tree design for display subsystems/DRM Daniel Drake
2013-07-02 18:42 ` Jean-Francois Moine
2013-07-02 19:19   ` Russell King
     [not found]     ` <20130702191923.GD13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 19:57       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]         ` <51D330AC.5060903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 20:25           ` Russell King
     [not found]             ` <20130702202548.GE13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 21:50               ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-02 22:02                 ` Dave Airlie
     [not found]                   ` <CAPM=9ty8W7wEewLpcKjNV-RXzVnReKVrPu_MGN80=Y-xPr-f+w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 22:14                     ` Russell King
     [not found]                       ` <20130702221445.GF13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  7:33                         ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-03  1:46                     ` Stéphane Marchesin
     [not found]                       ` <CACP_E++-L_Ntv=ZpkrSjB4y4GRc=WNDdXLeQAxb5NWniD3Frfg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  2:56                         ` Rob Clark
2013-07-03  6:42                         ` Inki Dae
2013-07-03 12:31                       ` Lucas Stach
2013-07-03  6:55                     ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                       ` <20130703065559.GJ516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  8:20                         ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-05  8:37               ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                 ` <CACxGe6uTv2yaTH-_JLa=vtgmXwq=++wz3=eDpkRr2GVbKaME1A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05  8:50                   ` Russell King
     [not found]                     ` <20130705085020.GV13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05  9:02                       ` Grant Likely
2013-07-02 21:04           ` Daniel Drake
     [not found]             ` <CAMLZHHTbkfxmzrSrAU586Ywxptk=4Njzb0_puWxhfBcmBB0BWQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 21:41               ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                 ` <51D348F5.2080205-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  8:57                   ` Inki Dae
     [not found]                     ` <00ae01ce77cb$524d57f0$f6e807d0$%dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  9:02                       ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-04 15:11                         ` Rob Clark
     [not found]                           ` <CAF6AEGuzwNJtuAWS29YvdZ1fiMGk5cuv24n4wxkKsDPT8FrDBw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 21:28                             ` Dave Airlie
2013-07-05  0:50                               ` Alex Deucher
     [not found]                         ` <20130703090242.GM516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  9:08                           ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                             ` <51D3EA0E.2090008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  9:48                               ` Inki Dae
     [not found]                                 ` <00ba01ce77d2$80285f10$80791d30$%dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  9:53                                   ` Russell King
     [not found]                                     ` <20130703095338.GH13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 10:52                                       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                         ` <51D40275.4020806-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 11:32                                           ` Russell King
     [not found]                                             ` <20130703113224.GI13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 17:38                                               ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-03 11:43                                           ` Inki Dae
     [not found]                                             ` <00cc01ce77e2$844b3a80$8ce1af80$%dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 11:51                                               ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                                 ` <51D4105C.3070503-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  7:05                                                   ` Inki Dae
     [not found]                                                     ` <000601ce7884$e99ade20$bcd09a60$%dae-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  7:25                                                       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                                         ` <51D5234C.3070000-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  8:15                                                           ` Inki Dae
2013-07-03 12:04                                               ` Russell King
     [not found]                                                 ` <20130703120458.GJ13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  2:03                                                   ` Inki Dae
2013-07-03  9:52                           ` Russell King
     [not found]                             ` <20130703095248.GG13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03 11:12                               ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-03 11:29                               ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-04  8:33                             ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                               ` <20130704083307.GH10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  8:40                                 ` Russell King
     [not found]                                   ` <20130704084052.GP13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  8:58                                     ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                       ` <20130704085817.GZ516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:11                                         ` Russell King
     [not found]                                           ` <20130704091131.GR13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:30                                             ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                               ` <20130704093047.GJ10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:44                                                 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                                   ` <51D54409.6020608-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 10:09                                                     ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                                       ` <20130704100932.GL10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04 10:58                                                         ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-07-05 10:07                                                           ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                                             ` <20130705100750.GJ516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 10:41                                                               ` Grant Likely
2013-07-04  8:45                                 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                   ` <51D53634.5040405-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  8:53                                     ` Sascha Hauer [this message]
     [not found]                                       ` <20130704085313.GY516-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:10                                         ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                           ` <51D53C0B.6060106-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:23                                             ` Sascha Hauer
     [not found]                                               ` <20130704092305.GI10414-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:40                                                 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                                   ` <51D54301.8080902-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:57                                                     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-04  9:08                                 ` Russell King
     [not found]                                   ` <20130704090829.GQ13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-04  9:51                                     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-07-05  8:43                           ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                             ` <CACxGe6uRJ9B9qnPT_KLNphg-n2WeA9UFO-rvCdKJHijGqJ8SOg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05  9:34                               ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found]                                 ` <51D69324.90301-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05  9:51                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                     ` <CACxGe6v_oQptLZzgsT_nf-K4680mP1f8sHJHN8AekeEy0_T18w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-05 11:16                                       ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
     [not found] ` <CAMLZHHREVEdRuHaD0imRu4pUv15ZyWYF2J9WCBEw-frxBry-Lw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 18:43   ` Russell King
     [not found]     ` <20130702184305.GB13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 18:54       ` Daniel Drake
     [not found]         ` <CAMLZHHSU1OVrQrtucTNn4AmTCiNER19njvQdomxTcXAzqxCi4A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-02 19:08           ` Russell King
     [not found]             ` <20130702190809.GC13924-f404yB8NqCZvn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-03  8:06               ` Inki Dae

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