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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@denx.de>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
Cc: Marek Vasut <marex@denx.de>,
	Fabio Estevam <fabio.estevam@freescale.com>,
	Mike Turquette <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>, Shawn Guo <shawn.guo@linaro.org>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8] reset: Add driver for gpio-controlled reset pins
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 23:38:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130717213836.GA13324@amd.pavel.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51E6CCE4.20705@wwwdotorg.org>

On Wed 2013-07-17 10:57:08, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 07/16/2013 09:02 PM, Shawn Guo wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 09:45:43AM -0600, Stephen Warren wrote:
> >> Registering the driver earlier won't cause any bugs. However, it's not
> >> the correct approach.
> >>
> >> Deferred probe /is/ the approach for assuring correct dependencies
> >> between drivers. It works and should be used. There are not enough
> >> initcall levels to play games using initcalls and solve all the issues,
> >> and the ordering requirements vary board-to-board. Deferred probe at
> >> runtime handles this without having to manually place all the drivers
> >> into specific initcall levels, and dynamically adjusts to board
> >> differences, since it all happens automatically at run-time.
> > 
> > I do not quite follow the argument here.  I agree with you that
> > deferred probe is the approach to solve dependencies.  But it does not
> > necessarily mean that initcall can not be used to help it save some
> > nasty or nested deferring.  Deferred probe and initcalls are not two
> > mutually exclusive mechanisms but two which can help each other.
> 
> My understanding is that deferred probe was implemented specifically to
> avoid having to, or allowing, the use of initcall levels to determine
> probe order.
> 
> However, if someone closely associated with the implementation of
> deferred probe (e.g. Grant, or a device core maintainer) is willing to
> step up and say I'm wrong, I'll drop my objection.

AFAIR, defered probing is known to be a "hack" by its authors. We
should still try to get initcall levels right...
								Pavel
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  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-17 21:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-30  9:09 [PATCH v8] reset: Add driver for gpio-controlled reset pins Philipp Zabel
2013-05-30 10:37 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] ` <1369904940-716-1-git-send-email-p.zabel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16  1:50   ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]     ` <20130716015038.GD28375-rvtDTF3kK1ictlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16  3:35       ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]         ` <51E4BF98.8030604-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16  4:10           ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16  9:49             ` Philipp Zabel
     [not found]               ` <1373968166.4327.11.camel-/rZezPiN1rtR6QfukMTsflXZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16 12:56                 ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]             ` <20130716041056.GA30067-rvtDTF3kK1ictlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16 15:45               ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                 ` <51E56AA7.7020103-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-17  3:02                   ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]                     ` <20130717030246.GA4541-rvtDTF3kK1ictlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-17 16:57                       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-17 21:38                         ` Pavel Machek [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <20130717213836.GA13324-tWAi6jLit6GreWDznjuHag@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-17 22:24                             ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-18 11:25                               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                 ` <20130718112555.GB1021-tWAi6jLit6GreWDznjuHag@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-18 18:45                                   ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]                                     ` <CAOesGMgi0j_mPyeBLVHb_QW+DwtAPoFY697eQO3-yp9tnP1vmA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-19  3:23                                       ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]                                         ` <20130719032328.GB20889-rvtDTF3kK1ictlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-19 15:45                                           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-22  7:47                                             ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-26 10:26                                     ` Philipp Zabel
2013-07-18 22:55                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                         ` <51E6CCE4.20705-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-18 22:50                           ` Grant Likely
2013-07-16  9:59           ` Philipp Zabel
     [not found]             ` <1373968758.4327.17.camel-/rZezPiN1rtR6QfukMTsflXZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16 15:48               ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-16  6:51       ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]         ` <20130716065130.GB30067-rvtDTF3kK1ictlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16  9:51           ` Philipp Zabel
     [not found]             ` <1373968279.4327.13.camel-/rZezPiN1rtR6QfukMTsflXZhhPuCNm+@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-16 12:15               ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-16 15:47           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]             ` <51E56AF6.30506-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-07-17  3:43               ` Shawn Guo
2013-07-17  7:17               ` Philipp Zabel

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