From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Richard Cochran <richardcochran-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Thierry Reding
<thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
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"ksummit-2013-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org"
<ksummit-2013-discuss-cunTk1MwBs98uUxBSJOaYoYkZiVZrdSR2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org>,
Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
Nicolas Pitre <nico-vtqb6HGKxmzR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>,
Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 11:22:14 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131022172214.GF4061@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131021170711.GA5256@netboy>
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 07:07:11PM +0200, Richard Cochran wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:15:56AM +0200, Thierry Reding wrote:
> >
> > Right now, we're taking away much of that flexibility and I see progress
> > on ARM actively hindered.
>
> Baloney.
>
> No one is taking away your flexibility or hindering progress. It is
> really very simple. Just make an arm-dt-devel tree where you can both
> change the bindings at will and recommend to people. Once bindings
> have seen some real world testing and have had time to mature, then
> request a merge into mainline.
The argument is that DT is a stable ABI we must never change it once
it hits mainline.
This leads to not accepting patches into mainline until they are
'stable'.
Whihc leads to vendors shipping code in real systems to real customers
with those out of tree patches. (Deadlines are a bitch)
The vendors are now forced to treat the DT as an *UNSTABLE* ABI
because they are shipping non-mainline DT schemas and plan to upgrade
to mainline someday.
Now the vendors no longer value DT as a stable ABI.
So, why are we making argument #1? Seems pretty self defeating to me.
Jason
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2013-10-20 21:26 ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 23:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-20 23:44 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <52646AF9.3050309-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 23:51 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131020235104.GT25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 0:13 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <52658918.1060708-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 9:45 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 8:32 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20131021083242.GB30088-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 8:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-21 9:27 ` Sascha Hauer
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[not found] ` < 20131024072811.GS30088@pengutronix.de>
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[not found] ` <20131021092730.GF30088-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 9:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-21 10:24 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131021102448.GD21518-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 10:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131021103014.GZ25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 10:41 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 9:19 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-21 20:09 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 23:18 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 1:14 ` Rob Clark
[not found] ` <CAF6AEGtt_2sStiZCNBp9btxevWghSwLZZBdN6ir8eUpX1FXrCQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 7:28 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-24 9:00 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024090054.GA11296-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 9:21 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 21:21 ` Rob Clark
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2013-10-25 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131118124518.GA16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:37 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131118153750.GM26046-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131118161151.GG16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:18 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:43 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 13:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-21 10:04 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:57 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 11:18 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <52644A9E.3060007-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 22:08 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20131020220839.GT2443-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 22:21 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5264576F.6050307-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 1:00 ` Nicolas Pitre
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.03.1310201911190.1951-hIgblCxmbi8OMTOF05IoTw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 9:15 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 14:57 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <20131021091555.GB21518-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 17:07 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 20:24 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131022092410.GB15640-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 17:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2013-10-21 20:29 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-10-21 20:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 9:39 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131022093923.GC15640-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 15:04 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 17:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2013-10-22 17:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 8:06 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 9:49 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131023094903.GD11954-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 17:16 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:25 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:05 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 20:12 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.03.1310231355160.1951-hIgblCxmbi8OMTOF05IoTw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 18:13 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131023172955.GA17145-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 17:45 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:46 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <1382553982.31058.10.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 18:51 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:12 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 9:52 ` Grant Likely
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2013-10-24 11:33 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 11:47 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <1382615278.8522.72.camel-Fexsq3y4057IgHVZqg5X0TlWvGAXklZc@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 12:13 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <3726fd81259f84ef308ba9011ae35174.squirrel-fWAbwA/6YHlc2C7mugBRk2EX/6BAtgUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 13:05 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <1382619952.6040.57.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 13:14 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:46 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <1382622360.6040.79.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 19:52 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 20:11 ` Matt Sealey
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2013-10-25 9:00 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-24 12:23 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024122346.GD11296-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 12:29 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:00 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 13:10 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:30 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <1382621431.6040.66.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:05 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 14:19 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024141955.GB25061-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:30 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <465e75de15f7d79c3b57a3b88024e739.squirrel-fWAbwA/6YHlc2C7mugBRk2EX/6BAtgUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:38 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-24 16:45 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 17:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 18:15 ` jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-10-24 14:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:47 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:33 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <1382625219.6040.96.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:22 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <99db70b50b3ddcf20d940d5855c657e0.squirrel-fWAbwA/6YHlc2C7mugBRk2EX/6BAtgUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:23 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024142347.GD25061-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:38 ` David Woodhouse
[not found] ` <818aaae744e58e37c6641d41912d0ba2.squirrel-fWAbwA/6YHlc2C7mugBRk2EX/6BAtgUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:58 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 19:58 ` Matt Porter
[not found] ` <20131024141241.GA25061-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 23:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-25 8:52 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <526A3165.4020601-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-25 9:16 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:47 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131023180240.GA32563-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 18:23 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 8:34 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024083411.GH9403-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 15:00 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 19:46 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:01 ` Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <20131023180108.GA23728-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 18:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131023182502.GC32563-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 18:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131023185435.GD32563-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 8:06 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20131024080624.GV30088-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 8:17 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024081733.GG9403-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 8:52 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-23 23:29 ` Ben Hutchings
[not found] ` <1382570963.6315.48.camel-nDn/Rdv9kqW9Jme8/bJn5UCKIB8iOfG2tUK59QYPAWc@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 7:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 9:35 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 12:02 ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24 8:01 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20131024080126.GU30088-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 8:11 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:42 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 18:21 ` Peter Maydell
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2013-10-22 18:36 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 19:16 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 21:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 8:50 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 9:02 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:42 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 10:04 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131023100456.GE11954-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 11:48 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 16:29 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 6:47 ` David Brown
2013-10-21 8:54 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-21 20:19 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <52658C49.80400-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 22:51 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
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2013-10-22 10:27 ` James Hogan
[not found] ` <52665314.2040904-1AXoQHu6uovQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Jonathan Cameron
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2013-10-22 16:49 ` Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <20131022164922.GA29852-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:10 ` Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <20131022211000.GA30394-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 7:57 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-23 16:01 ` Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <20131023160131.GA20675-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 21:07 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:18 ` Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <20131024151853.GB25355-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-01 10:36 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131101103614.GM27864-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-01 13:30 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:48 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
[not found] ` <CAHCPf3uKp-aEavjrEbHGBc_Ga-JgJoEDF+io4kOuvtL6H05eRA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 11:41 ` Peter Maydell
[not found] ` <CAFEAcA8rPn7x8W4T3qE5OUeSVQd-GB9+EQPnxMsmyNQ0HKoMPw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 23:02 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Rob Herring
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
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[not found] ` <20131118122644.GA26046-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 13:40 ` Grant Likely
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2013-11-18 13:57 ` Mark Brown
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2013-11-18 15:29 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-18 15:50 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20131118155022.GB28334-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:06 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-18 17:16 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-11-19 9:35 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-19 17:27 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-11-20 13:29 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-19 9:11 ` Thierry Reding
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