From: Richard Cochran <richardcochran-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Porter <matt.porter-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Thierry Reding
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Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:05:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131023180507.GE5208@netboy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131023172558.GK29341@beef>
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 01:25:58PM -0400, Matt Porter wrote:
>
> No, please, no!
On the one hand, I agree with you that the arago work is kind of scary
to look at, but on the other hand, it is being used in tons of beagle
bones and other devices. It is a success, of sorts.
I know of commercial products shipping with the arago kernel (not
mine, of course). The chip vendors have a legitimate need to offer
*something* that boots on their new devices. The BSP development has
to be done quickly (and, more importantly, it cannot cost much
either).
There is really nothing wrong with non-mainline trees. If they serve
someone's needs, then they do get used.
Thanks,
Richard
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2013-10-20 21:26 ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 23:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-20 23:44 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <52646AF9.3050309-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 23:51 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131020235104.GT25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 0:13 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <52658918.1060708-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 9:45 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 8:32 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20131021083242.GB30088-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 8:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131021084854.GV25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 9:27 ` Sascha Hauer
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[not found] ` < 20131024072811.GS30088@pengutronix.de>
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2013-10-21 9:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-21 10:24 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-21 10:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-21 10:41 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 9:19 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-21 20:09 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 23:18 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 1:14 ` Rob Clark
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2013-10-24 7:28 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-24 9:00 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024090054.GA11296-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 9:21 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 21:21 ` Rob Clark
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2013-10-25 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-11-18 15:37 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131118153750.GM26046-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131118161151.GG16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:18 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:43 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 13:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-21 10:04 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:57 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 11:18 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
[not found] ` <52644A9E.3060007-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 22:08 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20131020220839.GT2443-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 22:21 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5264576F.6050307-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 1:00 ` Nicolas Pitre
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.03.1310201911190.1951-hIgblCxmbi8OMTOF05IoTw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 9:15 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 14:57 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <20131021091555.GB21518-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 17:07 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 20:24 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131022092410.GB15640-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 17:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-21 20:29 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <52658EBC.8020800-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 20:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 9:39 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131022093923.GC15640-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 15:04 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 17:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2013-10-22 17:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 8:06 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 9:49 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-23 17:16 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:25 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:05 ` Richard Cochran [this message]
2013-10-23 18:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 20:12 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-23 18:13 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131023172955.GA17145-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 17:45 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:46 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-23 18:51 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:12 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 9:52 ` Grant Likely
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2013-10-24 11:33 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <1382614439.6040.16.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 11:47 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 12:13 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:05 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <1382619952.6040.57.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 13:14 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:46 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 19:52 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 20:11 ` Matt Sealey
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2013-10-25 9:00 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-24 12:23 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-24 12:29 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:10 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:30 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 14:05 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 14:19 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024141955.GB25061-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 14:30 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 14:38 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-24 17:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 18:15 ` jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-10-24 14:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:47 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-24 14:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:22 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 14:23 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-24 14:38 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 14:58 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 19:58 ` Matt Porter
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2013-10-24 23:54 ` Grant Likely
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2013-10-25 9:16 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:47 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-23 18:23 ` Richard Cochran
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2013-10-24 15:00 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 19:46 ` Matt Porter
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2013-10-23 18:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2013-10-24 8:17 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-24 8:52 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-23 23:29 ` Ben Hutchings
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2013-10-24 7:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 9:35 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 12:02 ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24 8:01 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-24 8:11 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:42 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 18:21 ` Peter Maydell
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2013-10-22 18:36 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 19:16 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 21:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 8:50 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 9:02 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:42 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 10:04 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-23 11:48 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 16:29 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 6:47 ` David Brown
2013-10-21 8:54 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-21 20:19 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-10-21 22:51 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
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2013-10-22 10:27 ` James Hogan
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2013-10-22 16:31 ` Jonathan Cameron
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2013-10-22 16:49 ` Guenter Roeck
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2013-10-22 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:10 ` Guenter Roeck
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2013-10-23 7:57 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-23 16:01 ` Guenter Roeck
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2013-10-23 21:07 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:18 ` Guenter Roeck
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2013-11-01 10:36 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-01 13:30 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:48 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
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2013-10-23 11:41 ` Peter Maydell
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2013-10-23 23:02 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Rob Herring
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-18 13:40 ` Grant Likely
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2013-11-18 13:57 ` Mark Brown
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2013-11-18 15:29 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-18 15:50 ` Mark Brown
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2013-11-18 16:06 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-18 17:16 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-11-19 9:35 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-19 17:27 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-11-20 13:29 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:35 ` Mark Brown
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2013-11-19 9:11 ` Thierry Reding
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