From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Richard Cochran
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Thierry Reding
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:25:02 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131023182502.GC32563@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131023180108.GA23728-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 11:01:08AM -0700, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> Not me. We want to be able to run the same kernel on different hardware,
> so we would not want to tie the dtb with the kernel image, but
> the ability to update the dtb on a system when updating the kernel
> is essential.
This is a really important point.
The complaint from distro-land was they don't want multiple kernel
packages.
What they want is one vmlinux/z, and a package of 'stuff' that they
can assemble a boot image for all hardware out of.
On x86 the package of 'stuff' is modules and grub. Distro scripts
package the modules into the initrd and configure grub based on the
installed hardware to make a bootable image.
On ARM the package of 'stuff' can very reasonably include dtb. Distro
scripts can package modules+DTB+vmlinuz into something the bootloader
can understand. (The next pain point will be to standardize that)
The DTB doesn't have to be 'outside' the distro/kernel to give users a
seamless upgrade experience.
Jason
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2013-10-20 21:26 ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 23:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-20 23:44 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
[not found] ` <52646AF9.3050309-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 23:51 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131020235104.GT25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 0:13 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <52658918.1060708-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-22 9:45 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 8:32 ` Sascha Hauer
[not found] ` <20131021083242.GB30088-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 8:48 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131021084854.GV25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 9:27 ` Sascha Hauer
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[not found] ` < 20131024072811.GS30088@pengutronix.de>
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[not found] ` <20131021092730.GF30088-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 9:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-10-21 10:24 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131021102448.GD21518-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 10:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131021103014.GZ25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 10:41 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 9:19 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-21 20:09 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 23:18 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 1:14 ` Rob Clark
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2013-10-24 7:28 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-24 9:00 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131024090054.GA11296-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-24 9:21 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 21:21 ` Rob Clark
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2013-10-25 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-11-18 15:37 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131118153750.GM26046-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131118161151.GG16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 16:18 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:43 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 13:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-21 10:04 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:57 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 11:18 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
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2013-10-20 22:08 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20131020220839.GT2443-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-20 22:21 ` Stephen Warren
[not found] ` <5264576F.6050307-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 1:00 ` Nicolas Pitre
[not found] ` <alpine.LFD.2.03.1310201911190.1951-hIgblCxmbi8OMTOF05IoTw@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 9:15 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 14:57 ` Maxime Bizon
[not found] ` <20131021091555.GB21518-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-21 17:07 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 20:24 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20131022092410.GB15640-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2013-10-23 17:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-21 20:29 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-10-21 20:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 9:39 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-22 15:04 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 17:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2013-10-22 17:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 8:06 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 9:49 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-23 17:16 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:25 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:05 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 20:12 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-23 18:13 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2013-10-23 17:45 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:46 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-23 18:51 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:12 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 9:52 ` Grant Likely
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2013-10-24 11:33 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 11:47 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 12:13 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:05 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 13:14 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:46 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 19:52 ` Matt Porter
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2013-10-25 9:00 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-10-24 12:29 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:10 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 13:30 ` Maxime Bizon
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2013-10-24 14:05 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 14:19 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-24 14:30 ` David Woodhouse
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2013-10-24 17:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-24 8:11 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:42 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 18:36 ` Nicolas Pitre
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2013-10-22 21:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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2013-10-23 9:02 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:42 ` Matt Porter
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2013-10-23 11:48 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 16:29 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 6:47 ` David Brown
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2013-10-21 20:19 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-10-21 22:51 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
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2013-10-22 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-23 16:01 ` Guenter Roeck
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2013-10-23 21:07 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:18 ` Guenter Roeck
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2013-11-01 10:36 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-01 13:30 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:48 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
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2013-10-23 11:41 ` Peter Maydell
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2013-10-23 23:02 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Rob Herring
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-11-18 13:40 ` Grant Likely
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2013-11-19 17:27 ` Stephen Warren
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