From: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
Grant Likely
<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>,
"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
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Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 11:57:44 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131119115744.GK16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131119113015.GH5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:30:15AM +0000, Mark Rutland wrote:
> I'm not sure it's entirely reasonable to assume that Microsoft will
> swoop in and develop standards that are useful to us or even applicable
> to the vast majority of the systems that are likely to exist.
It's not in their interest to do this, so it won't happen.
> Outside of the ARM Linux community there is work ongoing to change ACPI
> to better suit the level of variation we seem in the ARM space (see
> Darren Hart's presentation from ELCE [1]). We need to be involved now in
> order to make sure that this is actually generally applicable.
It may have been interesting to have attended some of these talks, but
because the LF botched up and never told the KSummit invitees that they
had free access to ELCE until after ELCE had finished...
> I think that we need to be involved in ACPI from today if we have any
> hope of having something sane in future.
I fully agree with that. If we're not involved now, we're going to end
up with something that's already designed and implemented on systems
which we'll then _have_ no option but to accept or just not be able to
run mainline kernels on such systems.
To ignore ACPI now would be extremely näieve.
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2013-11-15 1:44 ACPI vs DT at runtime Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 9:57 ` Mark Rutland
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2013-11-15 17:52 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131115175241.GB27174-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-11-15 18:42 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 19:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311152056.47846.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 23:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-11-18 15:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311181605.37300.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 16:10 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121161037.C528CC406A3-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 19:40 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20131118151900.GF16735@ n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131118151900.GF16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:11 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:00 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 11:30 ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119113557.GI5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 11:51 ` Leif Lindholm
[not found] ` <20131119113015.GH5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 11:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2013-11-19 13:56 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 14:38 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119143840.GN5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 14:59 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 18:23 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 14:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 15:21 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119152157.GO5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 16:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 18:34 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 19:06 ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 18:19 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131119181959.GA20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:37 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29 ` Grant Likely
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[not found] ` <20131121170122.GB22960-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:38 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121162944.F087FC406A3-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 17:01 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 17:58 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131121175822.GA9590-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:54 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131121185408.GX16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:59 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131121190126.GZ16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:31 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` < CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` < 20131121190126.GZ16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` < CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:44 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:53 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 17:47 ` Jon Masters
2013-11-15 18:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131115182826.GB14920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-20 13:49 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131120134942.95DBFC4079D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:43 ` Stefano Stabellini
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311201737410.3198-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:47 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <5289A356.4060004@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <5289A356.4060004-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:09 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118190929.GA5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:54 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <528A7EA0.9050101-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:50 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:32 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <201311182247.03540.david.goodenough@btconnect.com>
2013-11-19 12:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <20131118150052.GC24408@sirena.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131118150052.GC24408-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:13 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118191336.GB5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 9:12 ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19 18:48 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131119184827.GD20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 6:40 ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-21 18:16 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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[not found] ` <20131121192136.GA16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:47 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121204704.E4487C40753-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 11:43 ` Catalin Marinas
[not found] ` <CAHkRjk5MstjD9JFk+co8k89i8geJBmSF6uObhGdmWSe0GJHo8g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 12:00 ` Pantelis Antoniou
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2014-05-05 7:06 ` Alexander Holler
[not found] ` <53673866.9000105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 14:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 15:29 ` Alexander Holler
[not found] ` <5367AE6B.3010105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 17:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-06 15:37 ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27 ` Grant Likely
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2014-05-06 16:32 ` Olof Johansson
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[not found] ` <5289A4F3.5040203-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:25 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118192552.GD5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:43 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <528A7BFD.4020303-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:25 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMjKeRb=fFJM0MabDihbEiCGM4EqW9D5i_6-RFxTnpB4Qw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 20:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311152158.32644.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 21:44 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMhkCn2zeJj_ZZAZu_wJya-4evWEqNHpVJEpjxzWHVWY3A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 17:18 ` Stefano Stabellini
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311171705130.4714-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 18:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-17 22:20 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMiYyOcvr3Aqs-p8zc=XDwJM9NZtNxtxrTZssc6F=siZCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 8:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <528A4F5F.7080104@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <528A4F5F.7080104-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:21 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 15:04 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` < 201311181610.33105.arnd@arndb.de>
[not found] ` <201311181610.33105.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:38 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 23:25 ` Leif Lindholm
[not found] ` <20131118232536.GF1567-GZEopFhza0F985/tl1ce8aaDwS/vmuI7@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:29 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMh373ZsLzoGHJm+xV3uFVjh2CBSA8SXY4PA+VxL3a5W1w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:34 ` Leif Lindholm
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