From: Matthew Garrett <mjg59-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Grant Likely
<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:19:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131121181900.GA24619@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131121175822.GA9590-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 09:58:22AM -0800, Olof Johansson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 04:29:44PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > We are pushing a lot of boundaries and doing things on ACPI that have
> > never been done before. SPI, GPIOs, Clocks, Regulators, composite
> > devices, key-value properties. All brand new territory, and the Linux
> > world is driving a lot of it.
>
> This is a bit of a surprise and a significant concern.
>
> The whole point behind ACPI is that it's supposed to abstract away nearly
> all of that, and _not_ expose clocks, regulators and other things to
> the kernel. If we're going to expose it, then we might as well go all
> the way and do it with DT.
ACPI is able to ignore most of this because ACPI has (traditionally)
been aimed at well-defined platforms. ACPI 5 adds some amount of support
for GPIOs, but beyond that there's nothing in the spec that lets you
expose this data.
This is, obviously, a problem. The current solution is to add DT values
to ACPI, allowing us to continue using ACPI for device discovery and
allowing vendors to provide platform-specific ACPI methods. There's an
argument that in that case you might as well just use DT for device
discovery as well and skip ACPI entirely. I'm having trouble coming up
with strong counterarguments.
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Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-15 1:44 ACPI vs DT at runtime Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 9:57 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131115175241. GB27174@quad.lixom.net>
[not found] ` <5289A356.4060004@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <5289A356.4060004-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:09 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118190929.GA5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:54 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <528A7EA0.9050101-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:50 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:32 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <201311182247.03540.david.goodenough@btconnect.com>
2013-11-19 12:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <20131118150052.GC24408@sirena.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131118150052.GC24408-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:13 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118191336.GB5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 9:12 ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19 18:48 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131119184827.GD20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 6:40 ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-21 18:16 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` < 20131121192136.GA16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131121192136.GA16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:47 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121204704.E4487C40753-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 11:43 ` Catalin Marinas
[not found] ` <CAHkRjk5MstjD9JFk+co8k89i8geJBmSF6uObhGdmWSe0GJHo8g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 12:00 ` Pantelis Antoniou
[not found] ` <97692EF2-013E-4E4B-BC16-E0915D67EFEC-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 7:06 ` Alexander Holler
[not found] ` <53673866.9000105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 14:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 15:29 ` Alexander Holler
[not found] ` <5367AE6B.3010105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 17:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-06 15:37 ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20140506152725.E5B90C40959-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-06 16:32 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <5289A4F3.5040203@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <5289A4F3.5040203-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:25 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118192552.GD5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:43 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <528A7BFD.4020303-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:25 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131115095717.GC1709-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 17:52 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131115175241.GB27174-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131115180832.GR16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:42 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 19:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311152056.47846.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 23:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131115232109.GT16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311181605.37300.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 16:10 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121161037.C528CC406A3-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 19:40 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20131118151900.GF16735@ n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131118151900.GF16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:11 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:00 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 11:30 ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119113557.GI5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 11:51 ` Leif Lindholm
[not found] ` <20131119113015.GH5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 11:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 13:56 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 14:38 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119143840.GN5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 14:59 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 18:23 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 14:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 15:21 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119152157.GO5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 16:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 18:34 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 19:06 ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 18:19 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131119181959.GA20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:37 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121170122. GB22960@srcf.ucam.org>
[not found] ` <20131121170122.GB22960-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:38 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121162944.F087FC406A3-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 17:01 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 17:58 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131121175822.GA9590-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:19 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-11-21 18:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:54 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131121185408.GX16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:59 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131121190126.GZ16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:31 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` < CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` < 20131121190126.GZ16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` < CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:44 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:53 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 17:47 ` Jon Masters
2013-11-15 18:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131115182826.GB14920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-20 13:49 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131120134942.95DBFC4079D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:43 ` Stefano Stabellini
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311201737410.3198-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:47 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMjKeRb=fFJM0MabDihbEiCGM4EqW9D5i_6-RFxTnpB4Qw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 20:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311152158.32644.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 21:44 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMhkCn2zeJj_ZZAZu_wJya-4evWEqNHpVJEpjxzWHVWY3A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 17:18 ` Stefano Stabellini
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311171705130.4714-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 18:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-17 22:20 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMiYyOcvr3Aqs-p8zc=XDwJM9NZtNxtxrTZssc6F=siZCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 8:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <528A4F5F.7080104@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <528A4F5F.7080104-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:21 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 15:04 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` < 201311181610.33105.arnd@arndb.de>
[not found] ` <201311181610.33105.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:38 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 23:25 ` Leif Lindholm
[not found] ` <20131118232536.GF1567-GZEopFhza0F985/tl1ce8aaDwS/vmuI7@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:29 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMh373ZsLzoGHJm+xV3uFVjh2CBSA8SXY4PA+VxL3a5W1w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:34 ` Leif Lindholm
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