Device Tree Maturity Project

Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

Hi all,

Following up from the ARM summit in Edinburgh last month[1], there
were a number of things identified as needing to be improved or fixed
in short order. I've started a list of the things that are important
to be resolved[2]. To try and avoid getting stalled and having the
exact same discussion over again in 6 months time, I would like to
kick of a short lived project to work through as many of them as
possible. I think 3 months would be a good target.

To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
know that's quite early for those of you on the American Pacific
coast. Unfortunately I cannot reliably make any meetings after 2:45
UTC. It can be later if someone else will volunteer to moderate the
meetings.

Anyone who wants to be involved, please email me and I'll give you
write access to the spreadsheet[2] and add you to the meeting invite.
Also let me know which day works best for you.

g.

[1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg285148.html
[2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArznbucQARK6dEUxbVRjME1DcUFudGQwTjZIdkMtSVE&usp=sharing
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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I

Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Rob Herring]

On 11/20/2013 05:56 AM, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> 
> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.

That's 6:00PST.

Any of those days work for me.

Rob

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Ian Campbell]

On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 07:06 -0600, Rob Herring wrote:
> On 11/20/2013 05:56 AM, Grant Likely wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> > <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> >> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> >> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> > 
> > Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
> 
> That's 6:00PST.
> 
> Any of those days work for me.

Me too.


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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 11/20/2013 05:56 AM, Grant Likely wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
>> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
>>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
>>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
>>
>> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
>
> That's 6:00PST.

Ugh, you're right. You think I'd be better at math.

g.
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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Kumar Gala]

On Nov 20, 2013, at 5:56 AM, Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> 
> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.

I’d vote for either Tue or Thur.  Friday evenings conflicts with beer drinking ;)

- k

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Pawel Moll]

On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 11:56 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> > stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> > 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> 
> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.

All fine for me.

Paweł


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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Mark Rutland]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> > stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> > 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> 
> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.

Apologies for begin a little late to the party...

I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
would be preferable for me.

Thanks,
Mark.
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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> > <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> > > stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> > > 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> > 
> > Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
> 
> Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
> 
> I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
> weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
> would be preferable for me.

I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday. This Friday would have been off
anyway because of some minor holiday in the US.

g.

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Ian Campbell]

On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:36 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> > > <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > > To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> > > > stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> > > > 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> > > 
> > > Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
> > 
> > Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
> > 
> > I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
> > weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
> > would be preferable for me.
> 
> I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
> I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday.

Should I have gotten an update meeting request?

>  This Friday would have been off
> anyway because of some minor holiday in the US.

:-)

Ian.


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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Kumar Gala]

On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Ian Campbell <ian.campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:36 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
>>>> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
>>>>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
>>>>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
>>>> 
>>>> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
>>> 
>>> Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
>>> 
>>> I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
>>> weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
>>> would be preferable for me.
>> 
>> I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
>> I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday.
> 
> Should I have gotten an update meeting request?
> 
>> This Friday would have been off
>> anyway because of some minor holiday in the US.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Ian.

So are we meeting tomorrow (Tue Dec 3rd)?

- k

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Mark Rutland]

On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 06:09:22PM +0000, Kumar Gala wrote:
> 
> On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Ian Campbell <ian.campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:36 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> >> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> >>>> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>>>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> >>>>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> >>>>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> >>>> 
> >>>> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
> >>> 
> >>> Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
> >>> 
> >>> I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
> >>> weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
> >>> would be preferable for me.
> >> 
> >> I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
> >> I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday.
> > 
> > Should I have gotten an update meeting request?
> > 
> >> This Friday would have been off
> >> anyway because of some minor holiday in the US.
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > Ian.
> 
> So are we meeting tomorrow (Tue Dec 3rd)?

I hope so.

Grant?

Mark.
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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

On Mon, 2 Dec 2013 18:24:58 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 06:09:22PM +0000, Kumar Gala wrote:
> > 
> > On Nov 29, 2013, at 9:57 AM, Ian Campbell <ian.campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:36 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> > >>>> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > >>>>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> > >>>>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> > >>>>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
> > >>> 
> > >>> I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
> > >>> weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
> > >>> would be preferable for me.
> > >> 
> > >> I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
> > >> I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday.
> > > 
> > > Should I have gotten an update meeting request?
> > > 
> > >> This Friday would have been off
> > >> anyway because of some minor holiday in the US.
> > > 
> > > :-)
> > > 
> > > Ian.
> > 
> > So are we meeting tomorrow (Tue Dec 3rd)?
> 
> I hope so.
> 
> Grant?

yes. I've tried to resend the invite. Let me know if you don't see it.

Regardless, it will be the same Hangout link and it will be at 2:00 GMT.

g.

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:57:33 +0000, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:36 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> > > > <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > > > To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> > > > > stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> > > > > 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> > > > 
> > > > Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
> > > 
> > > Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
> > > 
> > > I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
> > > weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
> > > would be preferable for me.
> > 
> > I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
> > I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday.
> 
> Should I have gotten an update meeting request?

Yes. I don't know why it didn't get out to you. I've tried to send it again.

g.

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Rob Herring]

On 12/02/2013 05:12 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:57:33 +0000, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:36 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
>>>>> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
>>>>>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
>>>>>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
>>>>>
>>>>> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
>>>>
>>>> I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
>>>> weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
>>>> would be preferable for me.
>>>
>>> I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
>>> I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday.
>>
>> Should I have gotten an update meeting request?
> 
> Yes. I don't know why it didn't get out to you. I've tried to send it again.

I have not seen an update either.

Rob

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:21:28 -0600, Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 12/02/2013 05:12 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
> > On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:57:33 +0000, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell-Sxgqhf6Nn4DQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2013-11-27 at 14:36 +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:22:23 +0000, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:56:39AM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
> >>>>> <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> >>>>>> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> >>>>>> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Correction: Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. Wednesday I'm booked.
> >>>>
> >>>> Apologies for begin a little late to the party...
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a regular fortnightly meeting on Thursdays, and for the next few
> >>>> weeks (until the new year) I'm otherwise engaged on Fridays, so Tuesdays
> >>>> would be preferable for me.
> >>>
> >>> I started with Fridays, but it sounds like Tuesday works for everyone.
> >>> I've moved the meeting to next Tuesday.
> >>
> >> Should I have gotten an update meeting request?
> > 
> > Yes. I don't know why it didn't get out to you. I've tried to send it again.
> 
> I have not seen an update either.

Do you have it now?

g.

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Tomasz Figa]

On Wednesday 20 of November 2013 11:55:10 Grant Likely wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Following up from the ARM summit in Edinburgh last month[1], there
> were a number of things identified as needing to be improved or fixed
> in short order. I've started a list of the things that are important
> to be resolved[2]. To try and avoid getting stalled and having the
> exact same discussion over again in 6 months time, I would like to
> kick of a short lived project to work through as many of them as
> possible. I think 3 months would be a good target.
> 
> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST).

Time and all the days are fine for me.

Best regards,
Tomasz

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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Grant Likely]

Notes from first meeting from Nov 22, 2013

Attendance: Rob Herring and Grant Likely, Stuart Yoder. Pawel Moll was
on the line, but we couldn't actually hear him.

Talked through the initial task list and noted missing bits.

Rob is concerned that the schema work is in danger of stalling because
he doesn't remember any recent activity on the list.

ABI policy: Jason Cooper started a document. Need to look over it and comment.

ACTION: Grant to follow up with Jason and want needs to be done to get
the document merged.

ePAPR: Nothing has happened since the release of v1.1 of the document.
Stuart is going to look at getting that document out from under the
click through agreement and get the new bindings we're working on
encoded into the document.

ACTION: Stuart: Follow up with Power.org on releasing the ePAPR
document for future revision.

Stuart brought up question if the memory binding had been resolved.
Maxime is working on implementation and expect to see patches in the
near future.

Overlays: Pantellis posted a new patch series recently and has
received feedback. He is doing some rework. We'll probably see a new
series in the near future.

devicetree.org: What to do with this site? Currently owned and
maintained by Grant who is the worst system administrator in the
world. The site is basically dead except for one useful document.
Should the site be resurrected or move the DT usage document off?
Stuart suggested it would be a good home for the device tree source
files when they move out of the kernel. Grant would like to find a new
home for devicetree.org, but needs a suggestion on what organization
can host it.

Schema validation: Question about whether or not to build the schemas
in C code. Rob has begun doing some rudimentary checking on compatible
strings. Is considering adding it to checkpatch. We talked about
priorities for schema validation and how it could be implemented.
Created a list of priorities as a page on the task list spreadsheet.
Rob also has an experimental script that merely checks that all
compatible strings are actually documented. He will look at wiring
that script into checkpatch. Tomasz wasn't on the call though, so the
above is little more than a brain dump. Need to follow up with Tomasz.

End of meeting, no meeting next week due to US Thanksgiving.

g.


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Grant Likely
<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Following up from the ARM summit in Edinburgh last month[1], there
> were a number of things identified as needing to be improved or fixed
> in short order. I've started a list of the things that are important
> to be resolved[2]. To try and avoid getting stalled and having the
> exact same discussion over again in 6 months time, I would like to
> kick of a short lived project to work through as many of them as
> possible. I think 3 months would be a good target.
>
> To help keep track of what is going on, I would like to have a short
> stand up meeting once a week. Looking at my calendar, I can make
> 14:00UTC on Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday work (9:00EST, 7:00PST). I
> know that's quite early for those of you on the American Pacific
> coast. Unfortunately I cannot reliably make any meetings after 2:45
> UTC. It can be later if someone else will volunteer to moderate the
> meetings.
>
> Anyone who wants to be involved, please email me and I'll give you
> write access to the spreadsheet[2] and add you to the meeting invite.
> Also let me know which day works best for you.
>
> g.
>
> [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg285148.html
> [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArznbucQARK6dEUxbVRjME1DcUFudGQwTjZIdkMtSVE&usp=sharing
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Re: Device Tree Maturity Project

[Jason Cooper]

Grant,

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:08:13PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:
> Attendance: Rob Herring and Grant Likely, Stuart Yoder. Pawel Moll was
> on the line, but we couldn't actually hear him.

If you don't mind adding me to the invite list, I'll see if I can carve
out some time for the next one.

> ABI policy: Jason Cooper started a document. Need to look over it and comment.

I believe you're referring to the submitting-patches.txt.  I could split
that into two docs if you'd like, submitting and abi.

> ACTION: Grant to follow up with Jason and want needs to be done to get
> the document merged.

Sure.

thx,

Jason.
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