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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>
Cc: Jason Cooper <jason@lakedaemon.net>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	keescook@chromium.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	Laura Abbott <lauraa@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:19:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140218181927.GE29304@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140217155419.682F7C401D4@trevor.secretlab.ca>

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 03:54:19PM +0000, Grant Likely wrote:

> I applied a patch that did exactly that (109b623629), and then reverted
> it (b920ecc82) shortly thereafter because add_device_randomness() is
> a rather slow function and FDTs can get large. I'd like to see someone
> do a reasonable analysis on the cost of using an FDT for randomness
> before I reapply a patch doing something similar. An awful lot of the
> FDT data is not very random, but there are certainly portions of it that
> are appropriate for the random pool.

I read through the original thread from Tim Bird and FWIW I agree with
the assessment that passing the FDT through MD5 first is a good
approach.

Thinking into the future, I'd expect to see similar variable data in
DT on servers as we see in DMI, including:
  - Vendor serial number for the HW, manufacturing date, model number,
    and HW UUID
  - Serial numbers and vendor part numbers for DIMMS
  - MAC addresses for all the ethernet
  - OEM specific data

At worst a 'choosen/linux,no-dt-random = 1' value in the DT to disable
it would solve the problem for those in embedded that care about
microseconds during booting.

Regards,
Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-02-18 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-12  1:33 [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness Laura Abbott
     [not found] ` < 201402121251.06280.arnd@arndb.de>
2014-02-12  1:33 ` [RFC/PATCH 1/3] of: Add early randomness hooks Laura Abbott
2014-02-12  1:33 ` [RFC/PATCH 2/3] arm: Add ARCH_WANT_OF_RANDOMNESS Laura Abbott
2014-02-12  1:33 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/3] init: Move stack canary initialization after setup_arch Laura Abbott
2014-02-12 11:51 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]   ` <201402121251.06280.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-12 17:45     ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 18:17       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-12 18:45         ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 19:12           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-12 19:43             ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 23:55             ` Rob Herring
     [not found]       ` <20140212174554.GM27395-u4khhh1J0LxI1Ri9qeTfzeTW4wlIGRCZ@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-12 18:13         ` Olof Johansson
     [not found]           ` <CAOesGMgNkdxW4znmns10-DPc4+OTWJLyx2fcJGTgdND6pp0zUQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-12 18:32             ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 18:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]           ` <20140212182000.GJ5554-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-12 18:51             ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-17 15:54           ` Grant Likely
2014-02-17 16:13             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-17 18:23               ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-17 21:07                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]                   ` <CAMuHMdW7S=o4oHVsNtYo0i_giB5cgWhygo-GgSaA1Kur6m3vng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-18 17:56                     ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-18  9:39               ` Grant Likely
2014-02-18 18:19             ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2014-02-12 21:35       ` Kees Cook
2014-02-13  0:06   ` Laura Abbott
     [not found] ` < 1392168805-14200-2-git-send-email-lauraa@codeaurora.org>
     [not found]   ` <1392168805-14200-2-git-send-email-lauraa-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-12 16:47     ` [RFC/PATCH 1/3] of: Add early randomness hooks Grant Likely
     [not found] ` < 1392168805-14200-3-git-send-email-lauraa@codeaurora.org>
     [not found]   ` <1392168805-14200-3-git-send-email-lauraa-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-12 16:49     ` [RFC/PATCH 2/3] arm: Add ARCH_WANT_OF_RANDOMNESS Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <20140212164907.0E958C407C9-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-13  0:54         ` Laura Abbott

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