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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Bryan Wu <cooloney@gmail.com>, Lee Jones <lee.jones@linaro.org>,
	"grant.likely@linaro.org" <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 04/15] ACPI: Document ACPI device specific properties
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:48:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141003134849.GL26643@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141002121508.GM1786@lahna.fi.intel.com>

On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 01:15:08PM +0100, Mika Westerberg wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 01:51:24PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Thursday 02 October 2014 13:41:23 Mika Westerberg wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 09:59:14AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 01 October 2014 04:11:20 Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > From: Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
> > > 
> > > > > +The referenced ACPI device is returned in args->adev if found.
> > > > > +
> > > > > +In addition to simple object references it is also possible to have object
> > > > > +references with arguments. These are represented in ASL as follows:
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	Device (\_SB.PCI0.PWM)
> > > > > +	{
> > > > > +		Name (_DSD, Package () {
> > > > > +			ToUUID("daffd814-6eba-4d8c-8a91-bc9bbf4aa301"),
> > > > > +			Package () {
> > > > > +				Package () {"#pwm-cells", 2}
> > > > > +			}
> > > > > +		})
> > > > > +	}
> > > > > +
> > > > 
> > > > Similarly, the "#foo-cells" syntax is an artifact of the limitations of the
> > > > DT syntax, and I'd assume there would be a better way to encode this
> > > > in ACPI. Also, a "cell" in Open Firmware is defined as a big-endian
> > > > 32-bit value, which doesn't directly correspond to something in ACPI,
> > > > and the '#' character is an artifact of the use of the Forth language
> > > > in Open Firmware, which you also don't have here.
> > > 
> > > Same here, we tried to make it follow closely the DT description. It is
> > > probably not the best/optimal encoding for ACPI but it is documented
> > > well in Documentation/devicetree/bindings so why not use it.
> > > 
> > > The summary email from Darren at KS also mentions that for the existing
> > > drivers, the existing schemas should be common for both implementations [1].
> > > 
> > > For new bindings we probably should look out if they can be better
> > > represented using ACPI types.
> > > 
> > > [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/609373/
> > 
> > I thought when we had discussed the subsystem specific bindings, the
> > consensus there was to have subsystem specific accessors and
> > properties/tables.
> > 
> > I would argue that for everything that ACPI already has (interrupts,
> > registers, gpio, dmaengine, ...) the native method should be used,
> > possibly using _DSD to provide naming for otherwise anonymous references.
> 
> Absolutely. That's precisely what we do in the GPIO patch of this
> series. E.g we use ACPI GpioIo/GpioInt _CRS resources but give name to
> the GPIOs with the help of _DSD.
> 
> For things that don't have correspondence in ACPI but have well defined
> existing DT schema, like PWMs, we should follow that.

I'm rather concerned that while that's expedient for us, that's going to
end up in the creation of Linux-only ACPI tables. If any other OS vendor
decides they need to model this information and doesn't wnat to pick up
Linux _DSD bindings, what happens if they try to get an explicit object
model defined in ACPI for those objects?

Mark.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-10-03 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-16 11:52 [RFC PATCH v2 00/16] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties support Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/16] ACPI: Add support for device specific properties Mika Westerberg
2014-10-06 13:50   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <20141006135021.0EB04C43FBE-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-06 14:32       ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-06 16:25         ` Darren Hart
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/16] Driver core: Unified device properties interface for platform firmware Mika Westerberg
2014-09-17 18:28   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/16] ACPI: Allow drivers to match using Device Tree compatible property Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/16] ACPI: Document ACPI device specific properties Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/16] mfd: Add ACPI support Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 21:54   ` Lee Jones
2014-09-24 12:00   ` Lee Jones
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/16] gpio / ACPI: Add support for _DSD device properties Mika Westerberg
2014-09-23 15:27   ` Linus Walleij
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/16] gpio: Add support for unified device properties interface Mika Westerberg
     [not found]   ` <1410868367-11056-8-git-send-email-mika.westerberg-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-23 15:25     ` Linus Walleij
2014-09-23 15:45       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23 15:52         ` Mika Westerberg
2014-09-23 16:17           ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]             ` <20140923161724.GA40700-WlK9ik9hQGAhIp7JRqBPierSzoNAToWh@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-23 20:31               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-23 16:25         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]           ` <2895905.coa5UvrkJk-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-23 16:26             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-23 20:47               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                 ` <1579761.oeYleOAY1N-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-24  7:55                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-24 14:08                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-23 21:15               ` Darren Hart
2014-09-24  9:12                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-24  9:38                   ` Mika Westerberg
2014-09-24 14:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-26  3:21                   ` Darren Hart
2014-09-26  8:36                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-26 14:42                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07 13:37                     ` Linus Walleij
2014-10-07 15:37                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2014-10-07 23:57                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/16] gpio: sch: Consolidate core and resume banks Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/16] leds: leds-gpio: Add support for GPIO descriptors Mika Westerberg
2014-09-19  8:18   ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-09-24  7:55   ` Linus Walleij
2014-09-24  9:42     ` Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/16] leds: leds-gpio: Make use of device property API Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/16] leds: leds-gpio: Add ACPI probing support Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/16] input: gpio_keys_polled - Add support for GPIO descriptors Mika Westerberg
2014-09-19  8:22   ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-09-24  8:02   ` Linus Walleij
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/16] input: gpio_keys_polled - Make use of device property API Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/16] input: gpio_keys_polled - Add ACPI probing support Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/16] misc: at25: Make use of device property API Mika Westerberg
2014-09-16 11:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/16] misc: at25: Add ACPI probing support Mika Westerberg
2014-09-21  0:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/16] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties support Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-24  8:34   ` Lee Jones
2014-09-24  9:45     ` Mika Westerberg
2014-09-22 23:29 ` Bryan Wu
2014-10-01  2:08 ` [PATCH v3 00/15] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  2:08   ` [PATCH v3 01/15] ACPI: Add support for device specific properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  7:38     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01  2:10   ` [PATCH v3 02/15] Driver core: Unified device properties interface for platform firmware Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  7:47     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01 22:09       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01 23:01         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-02  7:46         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02 16:50           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-02  0:03     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-01  2:10   ` [PATCH v3 03/15] ACPI: Allow drivers to match using Device Tree compatible property Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  7:48     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-03 13:43     ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-03 17:59       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-04  0:02         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  2:11   ` [PATCH v3 04/15] ACPI: Document ACPI device specific properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  7:59     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02 10:41       ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-02 11:51         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02 12:15           ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-02 12:46             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02 13:36               ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-02 14:29                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02 14:38                   ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-02 14:55                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-03 13:56                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-03 15:02                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-03 23:58                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-04 10:56                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-05 21:40                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-03  2:03                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-03  8:12                   ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-03 13:58                   ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-03 14:38                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-03 14:35                       ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-04  0:13                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                           ` <6568619.UkU5qISONv-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-04 10:59                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-05 22:26                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-03 13:48             ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2014-10-04  0:16               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  2:12   ` [PATCH v3 05/15] gpio / ACPI: Add support for _DSD device properties Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]     ` <4786851.38d7sjpzag-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-01  8:03       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-05 10:36         ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-10-05 21:20           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]   ` <1852462.V1jlbi8OPt-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-01  2:14     ` [PATCH v3 06/15] gpio: Support for unified device properties interface Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  2:22     ` [PATCH v3 15/15] misc: at25: Add ACPI probing support Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  8:15       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01  2:15   ` [PATCH v3 07/15] gpio: sch: Consolidate core and resume banks Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  2:15   ` [PATCH v3 08/15] leds: leds-gpio: Add support for GPIO descriptors Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]     ` <1490183.QvrzPxsV7q-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-01  8:05       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01  2:16   ` [PATCH v3 09/15] leds: leds-gpio: Make use of device property API Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-03 14:07     ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-04  0:18       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  2:17   ` [PATCH v3 10/15] leds: leds-gpio: Add ACPI probing support Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  8:13     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01  9:13       ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-01 10:01         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01 11:59           ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-01 13:52             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01 14:04               ` Mika Westerberg
     [not found]                 ` <20141001140441.GF1786-3PARRvDOhMZrdx17CPfAsdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-01 14:14                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-02  9:55                     ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-02 10:44                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01 16:30       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-01 18:11         ` Darren Hart
2014-10-01 18:21           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-01 18:22           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01  2:17   ` [PATCH v3 11/15] input: gpio_keys_polled - Add support for GPIO descriptors Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  8:13     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-01  2:20   ` [PATCH v3 12/15] input: gpio_keys_polled - Make use of device property API Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  2:20   ` [PATCH v3 13/15] input: gpio_keys_polled - Add ACPI probing support Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-01  7:48     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-01  9:15       ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-01 16:28         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-02  9:53           ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-01  2:21   ` [PATCH v3 14/15] misc: at25: Make use of device property API Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]     ` <2074642.sV7QBxD3Ne-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-01  8:14       ` Arnd Bergmann

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