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From: NeilBrown <neilb-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <hns-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3.
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:43:07 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150320194307.51cb4225@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80D7E742-4633-4CCD-B754-221387D82922-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>

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On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:54:35 +0100 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller"
<hns-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Hi Neil,
> 
> Am 18.03.2015 um 06:58 schrieb NeilBrown <neil-+NVA1uvv1dVBDLzU/O5InQ@public.gmane.org>:
> 
> > Hi again,
> > here is version 3 of support for tty-slaves.
> > 
> > This version introduces a new bus-type for tty-slaves,
> 
> Hm. I am still not convinced that a tty is a „bus“ and 
> that this is a solution for a wide-spread problem.

Don't read too much into the word "bus".  It is really just a mechanism for
grouping drivers together - with maybe a hint of a suggestions that it helps
communicate with the devices which the drivers drive.

And I'm not particularly interested in solving wide-spread problems, just in
solving my problem in a suitably idiomatic way.


> 
> > and causes
> > a tty-slave device to appear in /sys/devices between the uart and the
> > tty.
> > It effectively intercepts and calls from the tty to the uart (i.e. any
> > tty_operations) and applies extra functionality at that point.
> 
> > 
> > Currently the only driver intercepts open and close.
> > It powers on the device on open, and powers off at last-close.
> 
> That is what the missing piece in Linux is to make the w2sg0004
> chip work.
> 
> > 
> > Power can be controlled by a regulator or by toggling a GPIO.
> 
> I think such a GPIO logic has nothing to do with serial and
> should be left over to the regulator logic, i.e. we need a special
> regulator-w2sg0004 driver.
> 
> So I suggest to remove the GPIO logic from your 
> 
> drivers/tty/slave/serial-power-manager.c
> 
> And then you can even get rid of adding a chip specific „compatible“
> entry for the subnodes.

But (nearly) every node has a "compatible" entry.
Each node describes a device, and the "compatible" string tells us what sort
of device.
Surely you agree that there is a particular device that needs to be
controlled?  In that case there needs to be a node representing it and a
"compatible" string describing it.  That is how "devicetree" works.


> 
> > 
> > I think I've incorporated most of the feed back I received from
> > previous versions, but if I missed something - I apologize.  If
> > this approach is structurally acceptable then I can fix up all the
> > smaller issues.
> 
> As said I would prefer that the w2sg0004 driver is just a separate
> „regulator“ driver as we had proposed before.

You can prefer that if you wish.  But given that the w2sg0004 is not in fact
a regulator, but is in fact a GPS device, I doubt you will find a lot of
support for your approach (as indeed I didn't when I tried it...)

Thanks,
NeilBrown


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-20  8:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-18  5:58 [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 NeilBrown
2015-03-18  5:58 ` [PATCH 3/3] tty/slaves: add a driver to power on/off UART attached devices NeilBrown
     [not found]   ` <20150318055831.21025.33670.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20  7:54     ` [Gta04-owner] " Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]       ` <C53A3E5D-5AEA-4F0F-88A9-F9BC8CB0D0D6-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20  8:54         ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20  9:34           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]             ` <14FB51CF-9568-4BF4-B917-2C019D992FDB-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 19:50               ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-20 23:31             ` NeilBrown
2015-03-24 17:58               ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25  1:45                 ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-25  7:59                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 15:21                     ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-25 16:44                       ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-26 18:08                         ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-27  9:22                           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-27 16:31                             ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-27 17:11                               ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-04-27 20:35                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-04-29  6:56                                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-25 20:53                     ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 21:25                       ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                         ` <1F3B5E32-1330-457C-AE25-791319293C38-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-26  5:56                           ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-26  6:44                             ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                               ` <365B2C25-1782-4ADE-B620-190A4CC5E8E3-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-04  7:52                                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 20:42                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-25 21:22                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-18  5:58 ` [PATCH 2/3] TTY: add support for tty_slave devices NeilBrown
2015-03-18  9:11   ` Paul Bolle
2015-03-22  3:32     ` NeilBrown
2015-03-20 19:41   ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-22  3:42     ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
     [not found]       ` <20150322144209.14abc603-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-22  7:58         ` Pavel Machek
2015-03-24 10:31   ` Jiri Slaby
2015-03-30 23:45     ` NeilBrown
2015-03-25 16:30   ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-25 21:17     ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
2015-03-27 11:09       ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-31  0:33         ` NeilBrown
2015-03-18  5:58 ` [PATCH 1/3] TTY: use class_find_device to find port in uart_suspend/resume NeilBrown
     [not found]   ` <20150318055831.21025.27864.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-25 16:20     ` Peter Hurley
2015-03-29 21:49       ` [Gta04-owner] " NeilBrown
2015-03-20  7:54 ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]   ` <80D7E742-4633-4CCD-B754-221387D82922-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20  8:43     ` NeilBrown [this message]
2015-03-20  8:54       ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-03-20 13:08         ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-20 13:57           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]             ` <72268D51-F993-497A-B4F9-707C8DB7155C-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20 17:14               ` Sebastian Reichel
2015-03-20 19:31 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] ` <20150318055437.21025.13990.stgit-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-05 19:54   ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-05 20:46     ` NeilBrown
     [not found]     ` <55492001.30806-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06  5:19       ` [Gta04-owner] " Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 11:10         ` Peter Hurley
     [not found]         ` <DE60E7AA-1BF4-4A68-9638-E09F85FD5C72-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06  9:27           ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 11:50             ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 12:05               ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-06 12:27                 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 12:36                   ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-06 13:28                     ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 14:15                       ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-06 16:09                         ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-06 17:18                           ` Mark Rutland
2015-05-07 12:46                             ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 14:30                               ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 15:11                                 ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 16:18                                   ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 16:57                                     ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                               ` <B4D487C5-C260-497B-A441-6C381D53616C-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07 14:56                                 ` Peter Hurley
     [not found]                                   ` <554B7D33.602-WaGBZJeGNqdsbIuE7sb01tBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-07 15:34                                     ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-07 15:51                                       ` Peter Hurley
2015-05-07 16:46                                         ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-05-13  8:09                                           ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
2015-06-03 11:49                                             ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] UART slave device support Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                                               ` <56C579D3-E8F8-4B5A-B6E8-993B113F3461-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 13:09                                                 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                             ` <463356C5-E3C6-432C-A1C5-71F0287F1FEE@goldelico.com>
2015-06-03 12:09                                               ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH RFC 3/3] misc: Add w2g0004 gps receiver driver Christ van Willegen
2015-05-07 15:37                       ` [Gta04-owner] [PATCH 0/3] tty slave device support - version 3 Peter Hurley
     [not found]               ` <A2594559-CA92-40C2-A06A-AC2483E85CB1-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-06 14:28                 ` Pavel Machek
2015-05-06 16:12                   ` Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
     [not found]                     ` <C68A105A-7147-4143-9B91-1A239726A780-xXXSsgcRVICgSpxsJD1C4w@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-06 13:09                       ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-06 18:53                         ` Belisko Marek
2015-06-06 18:55                           ` Belisko Marek
2015-05-07 15:48           ` Rob Herring

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