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From: Brian Norris <computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:06:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151210210656.GM144338@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOiHx==8TFK9t4h2C0Q+j==nuRP3EbyVa+nuYuSEj_LCDa820Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 12:35:42PM +0100, Jonas Gorski wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Brian Norris
> <computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > There have been several discussions [1] about adding a device tree binding for
> > associating flash devices with the partition parser(s) that are used on the
> > flash. There are a few reasons:
> >
> >  (1) drivers shouldn't have to be encoding platform knowledge by listing what
> >      parsers might be used on a given system (this is the currently all that's
> >      supported)
> >  (2) we can't just scan for all supported parsers (like the block system does), since
> >      there is a wide diversity of "formats" (no standardization), and it is not
> >      always safe or efficient to attempt to do so, particularly since many of
> >      them allow their data structures to be placed anywhere on the flash, and
> >      so require scanning the entire flash device to find them.
> >
> > So instead, let's support a new binding so that a device tree can specify what
> > partition formats might be used. This seems like a reasonable choice (even
> > though it's not strictly a hardware description) because the flash layout /
> > partitioning is often very closely tied with the bootloader/firmware, at
> > production time.
> 
> On a first glance this looks good to me, and looks easily extensible
> for application of non-complete partition parsers.
> 
> E.g. for the "brcm,bcm6345-imagetag" we would want to actually do something like
> 
> partitions {
>     ....
> 
>     partition@0 {
>         reg = <0x0 0x10000>;
>         label = "cfe";
>         read-only;
>     };
> 
>     partition@10000 {
>         reg = <0x10000 0x3d0000>;
>         label = "firmware";
>         compatible = "brcm,bcm6345-imagetag";
>     };
> 
>     partition@3e0000 {
>         reg = <0x3e0000 0x10000>;
>         label = "art";
>         read-only;
>     };
> 
>    partition@3f0000 {
>         reg = <0x3f0000 0x10000>;
>         label = "nvram";
>         read-only;
>     };
> };
> 
> as the image tag can only specify the offsets and sizes of the rootfs
> and kernel parts, but not of any other parts.

I had your (and others') prior attempts and suggestions in mind when
planning this, and I agree that the binding looks extendible to cases
like that. I haven't yet worked out what a good MTD infrastructure for
that would look like, so I stuck with defining and implementing only
what I know use :)

> > Also, as an example first-use of this mechanism, I support Google's FMAP flash
> > structure, used on Chrome OS devices.
> >
> > Note that this is an RFC, mainly for the reason noted in patch 6 ("RFC: mtd:
> > partitions: enable of_match_table matching"): the of_match_table support won't
> > yet autoload a partition parser that is built as a module. I'm not quite sure
> > if there's a lot of value in supporting MTD parsers as modules (block partition
> > support can't be), but that is supported for "by-name" parser lookups in MTD
> > already, so I don't feel like dropping that feature yet. Tips or thoughts are
> > particularly welcome on this aspect!
> 
> I would assume a lot of the cases these would be a chicken-egg
> problem, you need the parser to be able to find and mount the rootfs,
> but you you need mount the rootfs to load the parser.

Not necessarily. One of my current use cases has a boot SPI NOR flash +
an eMMC rootfs. Modules can be loaded from eMMC.

BTW, I'm realizing that if partition parsers are forced to built-in
only, then we'd have to do the same for the MTD core (or at least, the
MTD core that handles partitioning). Not sure if that's a desirable
trade-off. (Again, block support is 'bool' in Kconfig, if we're trying
to compare.)

Brian

      parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-10 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-05  5:19 [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support Brian Norris
2015-12-05  5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] mtd: move partition parsers to drivers/mtd/partitions/ Brian Norris
2015-12-05  5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] mtd: move partition parsers' Kconfig under a sub-menu Brian Norris
2015-12-05  5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] mtd: add of_match_mtd_parser() and of_mtd_match_mtd_parser() helpers Brian Norris
     [not found]   ` <1449292763-129421-5-git-send-email-computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07  2:45     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]       ` <CAL_JsqLV1mDpW9tD0XjWRxZSSsYuDiqHbuADQmBUtACgYiHJ+w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 18:13         ` Brian Norris
     [not found]           ` <20151207181308.GN120110-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07 19:00             ` Rob Herring
     [not found] ` <1449292763-129421-1-git-send-email-computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05  5:19   ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] doc: dt: mtd: partition: add on-flash format binding Brian Norris
     [not found]     ` <1449292763-129421-4-git-send-email-computersforpeace-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05 11:39       ` Jonas Gorski
     [not found]         ` <CAOiHx=nz2bdA_R610ozsQHhccdcrHVVCamTtne5ReHrA-FcaaQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05 21:33           ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]             ` <CAOMqctTbUNd0GtY07YJuxem9HkU1WZ-NtO556=Yg2QrsF49Xjw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-07  1:36               ` David Gibson
     [not found]                 ` <20151207013628.GC20139-RXTfZT5YzpxwFLYp8hBm2A@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-10 20:43                   ` Brian Norris
     [not found]                     ` <20151210204324.GK144338-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 15:58                       ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-12  5:51                     ` David Gibson
     [not found]                       ` <20151212055105.GA17011-RXTfZT5YzpxwFLYp8hBm2A@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-14 10:22                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]                           ` <CAMuHMdXA4-BZpvtCM8_9fYWLzoVsuCXDqvF3G4cVd50Cqsfv0g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-14 12:28                             ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-15  6:00                             ` David Gibson
     [not found]                               ` <20151215060056.GB3011-1s0os16eZneny3qCrzbmXA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-15 10:03                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-17  1:05                                   ` David Gibson
2015-12-07  3:07       ` Rob Herring
2015-12-05  5:19   ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] mtd: partitions: factor out "match by name" handling Brian Norris
2015-12-05 10:15   ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]     ` <CAMuHMdUJXHs_OhT0da+kzc=D4MOFUT9BB3eJ+7a_p6DYx-PKBA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-05 18:06       ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-10 20:54       ` Brian Norris
     [not found]         ` <20151210205449.GL144338-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11  8:44           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]             ` <CAMuHMdV-uethsChWVZGSx1JNcAofODmg14ppGYJP2ewfwhEv1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 15:34               ` Michal Suchanek
     [not found]                 ` <CAOMqctQVMCEa_k4xMW1qooEpe8X1-NhUOjD6pp0qJpDP_H+8hw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 16:00                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
     [not found]                     ` <CAMuHMdV2feXKWkJzRkMUBiAUCxp4LwaRgg+aPYwm0sUnKzm0Rg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-11 16:18                       ` Michal Suchanek
2015-12-12  1:33               ` Brian Norris
     [not found]                 ` <20151212013349.GA86087-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-14 10:15                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-12-05  5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] RFC: mtd: partitions: enable of_match_table matching Brian Norris
2015-12-05  5:19 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] mtd: partitions: add Google's FMAP partition parser Brian Norris
2015-12-05 11:35 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] mtd: partitions: add of_match_table support Jonas Gorski
     [not found]   ` <CAOiHx==8TFK9t4h2C0Q+j==nuRP3EbyVa+nuYuSEj_LCDa820Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-10 21:06     ` Brian Norris [this message]

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