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From: Matthias Kaehlcke <mka-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Doug Anderson <dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Liam Girdwood <lgirdwood-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Brian Norris
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	Javier Martinez Canillas
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	Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 4/4] regulator: Prevent falling too fast
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:15:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161212211502.GA96889@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161028181521.ywzmow6bgndfotq3-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>

El Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 07:15:21PM +0100 Mark Brown ha dit:

> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:41:59AM -0700, Doug Anderson wrote:
> 
> > I guess I think of the whole network of components as the PWM
> > regulator and not the individual discreet BUCK.  I'm also not quite
> > sure how you would model it as you're asking.  I suppose you could say
> > that all of the resistors / capacitors / inductors end up producing a
> > voltage and this voltage is an input to the BUCK.  ...then the BUCK
> 
> Yes, that's what's happening.
> 
> > I know for sure that our EEs have massively modified the behavior of
> > the whole thing by just changing the resistors / capacitors /
> > inductors, changing the undershoot, OVP issue, voltage ranges, default
> > voltage, etc.  That's what leads me to believe it's not so separable.
> 
> What you're describing to me is a discrete DCDC that has an input
> voltage that sets the output voltage which happens to be set with a PWM.
> It's of course going to be the case that the passives are important to
> the system performance but it seems we have two bits here - the PWM
> regulator providing an input to the DCDC and the DCDC itself which is
> sensitive to rate changes.

I experimented a bit with this. Besides the question of how to model
the passives I wonder how the two regulators would interact. The
correct thing seems to be to specify the input regulator as a supply
of the DCDC. dcdc->set_voltage breaks down a voltage transition into
steps (if needed) and calls regulator_set_voltage(supply) for each
step. The problem with that is that regulator_set_voltage(dcdc)
acquires the supply lock(s), later regulator_set_voltage(supply) tries
to acquire its own lock which is already held. This can be worked
around by only using the supply regulator in the DCDC, but not
specify it as a supply. However this seems more a hack than a proper
solution.

Am I missing something obvious here or approaching this from a wrong
angle?

Thanks

Matthias
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-12-12 21:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-06 19:05 [PATCH v4 4/4] regulator: Prevent falling too fast Matthias Kaehlcke
     [not found] ` <20160906190524.GB79728-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-12 18:56   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]     ` <20160912185633.GH27946-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-13 17:21       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
     [not found]         ` <20160913172140.GC62872-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15 14:39           ` Mark Brown
     [not found]             ` <20160915143945.GJ27974-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-15 18:02               ` Matthias Kaehlcke
     [not found]                 ` <20160915180223.GE62872-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 16:32                   ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                     ` <20160916163253.GA10189-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 18:31                       ` Matthias Kaehlcke
     [not found]                         ` <20160916183145.GF62872-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-16 18:48                           ` Mark Brown
2016-09-19 18:39                     ` Doug Anderson
2016-09-24 18:41                       ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                         ` <20160924184133.seh6v6eayt7hwgue-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-09-26 17:41                           ` Doug Anderson
2016-10-28 18:15                             ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                               ` <20161028181521.ywzmow6bgndfotq3-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-12 21:15                                 ` Matthias Kaehlcke [this message]
     [not found]                                   ` <20161212211502.GA96889-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-13 17:19                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-12-13 20:00                                       ` Doug Anderson
2016-12-13 23:14                                         ` Matthias Kaehlcke
     [not found]                                         ` <CAD=FV=WhUVeq5GZ5-ae4SxypHGB9jWqgvkO02S=G6Zz6cexRzQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-12-14 13:21                                           ` Mark Brown

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