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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab-JsYNTwtnfakRB7SZvlqPiA@public.gmane.org>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux-I+IVW8TIWO2tmTQ+vhA3Yw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Steve Longerbeam
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/39] i.MX Media Driver
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:59:28 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170312175923.6ad86dff@vento.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170312194700.GR21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>

Em Sun, 12 Mar 2017 19:47:00 +0000
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux-I+IVW8TIWO2tmTQ+vhA3Yw@public.gmane.org> escreveu:

> Another issue.
> 
> The "reboot and the /dev/video* devices come up in a completely
> different order" problem seems to exist with this version.
> 
> The dot graph I supplied previously had "ipu1_csi0 capture" on
> /dev/video4.  I've just rebooted, and now I find it's on
> /dev/video2 instead.
> 
> Here's the extract from the .dot file of the old listing:
> 
>         n00000018 [label="ipu1_ic_prpenc capture\n/dev/video0", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000021 [label="ipu1_ic_prpvf capture\n/dev/video1", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n0000002e [label="ipu2_ic_prpenc capture\n/dev/video2", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000037 [label="ipu2_ic_prpvf capture\n/dev/video3", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000048 [label="ipu1_csi0 capture\n/dev/video4", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000052 [label="ipu1_csi1 capture\n/dev/video5", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000062 [label="ipu2_csi0 capture\n/dev/video6", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n0000006c [label="ipu2_csi1 capture\n/dev/video7", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
> 
> and here's the same after reboot:
> 
>         n00000014 [label="ipu1_csi0 capture\n/dev/video2", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n0000001e [label="ipu1_csi1 capture\n/dev/video3", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000028 [label="ipu2_csi0 capture\n/dev/video4", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000035 [label="ipu1_ic_prpenc capture\n/dev/video5", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n0000003e [label="ipu1_ic_prpvf capture\n/dev/video6", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n0000004c [label="ipu2_csi1 capture\n/dev/video7", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000059 [label="ipu2_ic_prpenc capture\n/dev/video8", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
>         n00000062 [label="ipu2_ic_prpvf capture\n/dev/video9", shape=box, style=filled, fillcolor=yellow]
> 
> (/dev/video0 and /dev/video1 are taken up by CODA, since I updated the
> names of the firmware files, and now CODA initialises... seems the
> back-compat filenames don't work, but that's not a problem with imx6
> capture.)
> 

Didn't have time yet to read/comment the other e-mails in this thread.

Yet, as this is a simple issue, let me answer it first.

With regards to /dev/video?, the device number depends on the probing 
order, with can be random on SoC drivers, due to the way OF works. 

Yet, udev/systemd has some rules that provide an unique name for V4L
devices at /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-v4l.rules. Basically, it
runs a small application (v4l_id) with creates a persistent symling
using rules like this:

	KERNEL=="video*", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="?*", SYMLINK+="v4l/by-id/$env{ID_BUS}-$env{ID_SERIAL}-video-index$attr{index}"

Those names are stored at /dev/v4l/by-path.

For example, on Exynos, we have:

$ ls -lctra /dev/v4l/by-path/
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-13e10000.video-scaler-video-index0 -> ../../video7
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-13e00000.video-scaler-video-index0 -> ../../video6
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-11f60000.jpeg-video-index0 -> ../../video4
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-11f50000.jpeg-video-index1 -> ../../video3
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-11f50000.jpeg-video-index0 -> ../../video2
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root  60 Mar 11 07:19 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-11f60000.jpeg-video-index1 -> ../../video5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-11000000.codec-video-index1 -> ../../video1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  12 Mar 11 07:19 platform-11000000.codec-video-index0 -> ../../video0

No matter what driver gets probed first, the above names should not
change.

So, if you want to write a script, the best is to use the /dev/v4l/by-path.

Unfortunately, gstreamer has some issues with that, as some of their plugins
don't seem to allow passing the name of the devnode, but just the number of
/dev/video?.

So, you need some script to convert from /dev/v4l/by-path/foo to
/dev/video?.

What I'm using on Exynos scripts is this logic:

	NEEDED1=platform-13e00000.video-scaler-video-index0
	DEV1=$(ls -l /dev/v4l/by-path/$NEEDED1|perl -ne ' print $1 if (m,/video(\d+),)')

Then, if I need to talk with this mem2mem driver using the v4l2video
convert plugin, I can launch gst with something like:

	gst-launch-1.0 videotestsrc ! v4l2video${DEV1}convert ! fakesink

Thanks,
Mauro


Thanks,
Mauro
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-12 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-10  4:52 [PATCH v5 00/39] i.MX Media Driver Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 01/39] [media] dt-bindings: Add bindings for video-multiplexer device Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-16 21:21   ` Rob Herring
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 02/39] [media] dt-bindings: Add bindings for i.MX media driver Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-20 15:02   ` Rob Herring
     [not found] ` <1489121599-23206-1-git-send-email-steve_longerbeam-nmGgyN9QBj3QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-10  4:52   ` [PATCH v5 03/39] [media] dt/bindings: Add bindings for OV5640 Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-20 15:03     ` Rob Herring
2017-03-10  4:52   ` [PATCH v5 13/39] ARM: dts: imx6-sabreauto: add the ADV7180 video decoder Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53   ` [PATCH v5 30/39] media: imx: add support for bayer formats Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10 20:13   ` [PATCH v5 00/39] i.MX Media Driver Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-10 23:20     ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 17:47       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-12  0:30     ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 19:57       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]         ` <20170312195741.GS21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-12 20:05           ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 20:22             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-13  4:26               ` Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]                 ` <f1807742-012f-249e-1ad8-22d8434695cb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13  8:16                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-13  9:30                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                       ` <20170313093007.GD21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13 23:39                         ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-13 23:37                     ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 17:51   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]     ` <20170312175118.GP21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-12 19:21       ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 19:29         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-12 19:44           ` Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]             ` <58b30bca-20ca-d4bd-7b86-04a4b8e71935-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-12 20:16               ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 20:36                 ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 20:39                   ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 20:40                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                     ` <20170312204037.GU21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-12 21:09                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                         ` <20170312210952.GV21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-14 17:29                           ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-18 20:02                             ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 19:47   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]     ` <20170312194700.GR21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-12 20:00       ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-12 20:59       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2017-03-12 21:13         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]           ` <20170312211324.GW21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-12 22:10             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2017-03-14 17:02               ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-18 19:22   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]     ` <20170318192258.GL21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-18 19:58       ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-18 20:43         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]           ` <20170318204324.GM21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-19  0:41             ` Nicolas Dufresne
2017-03-19  0:54               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 14:33                 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2017-03-19 14:51                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]               ` <1489884074.21659.7.camel-dDhyB4GVkw9AFePFGvp55w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-19  9:55                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 14:45                   ` Nicolas Dufresne
2017-03-19 13:57             ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2017-03-19 14:21               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 14:22                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 15:00                   ` Vladimir Zapolskiy
2017-03-19 15:09                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                 ` <20170319142110.GT21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-19 14:47                   ` Nicolas Dufresne
2017-03-19 10:38         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 17:54           ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-19 18:04             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-20 13:01             ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-20 13:29               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-20 13:57                 ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-20 14:11                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-20 15:57                     ` Hans Verkuil
     [not found]                       ` <40e08d05-58cd-a295-3174-123147ee2ac5-qWit8jRvyhVmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-21 10:42                         ` Niklas Söderlund
2017-03-21 10:59                           ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-21 11:36                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-22 18:10                               ` Nicolas Dufresne
2017-03-19 12:14         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 18:37           ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-19 18:51             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 18:56               ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-20 12:49           ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-20 13:20           ` Philipp Zabel
2017-03-20 15:43             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-20 16:29               ` Philipp Zabel
2017-03-20 16:35                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]         ` <aef6c412-5464-726b-42f6-a24b7323aa9c-nmGgyN9QBj3QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-20 13:15           ` Philipp Zabel
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 04/39] ARM: dts: imx6qdl: Add compatible, clocks, irqs to MIPI CSI-2 node Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 05/39] ARM: dts: imx6qdl: Add mipi_ipu1/2 multiplexers, mipi_csi, and their connections Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 06/39] ARM: dts: imx6qdl: add capture-subsystem device Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 07/39] ARM: dts: imx6qdl-sabrelite: remove erratum ERR006687 workaround Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10 18:59   ` Troy Kisky
     [not found]     ` <9f5d0ac4-0602-c729-5c00-1d9ef49247c1-Q5RJGjKts06CY9SHAMCTRUEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-10 19:17       ` Fabio Estevam
2017-03-10 21:57         ` Pavel Machek
2017-03-10 22:05           ` Fabio Estevam
2017-03-15 18:49         ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 08/39] ARM: dts: imx6-sabrelite: add OV5642 and OV5640 camera sensors Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 09/39] ARM: dts: imx6-sabresd: " Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 10/39] ARM: dts: imx6-sabreauto: create i2cmux for i2c3 Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 11/39] ARM: dts: imx6-sabreauto: add reset-gpios property for max7310_b Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 12/39] ARM: dts: imx6-sabreauto: add pinctrl for gpt input capture Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 14/39] add mux and video interface bridge entity functions Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 15/39] [media] v4l2: add a frame interval error event Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10 12:03   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-10 18:37     ` Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]       ` <ec05e6e0-79f2-2db2-bde9-4aed00d76faa-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-10 23:30         ` Pavel Machek
2017-03-10 23:42           ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-11 11:39       ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-11 18:14         ` Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]           ` <5d5cf4a4-a4d3-586e-cd16-54f543dfcce9-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-11 18:51             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-11 18:58               ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-11 19:00               ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-13 10:02             ` Hans Verkuil
     [not found]               ` <aa6a5a1d-18fd-8bed-a349-2654d2d1abe0-qWit8jRvyhVmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13 10:45                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                   ` <20170313104538.GF21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13 10:53                     ` Hans Verkuil
     [not found]                       ` <b36875e0-683a-fcc3-343d-9ddd1a39cac0-qWit8jRvyhVmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13 17:06                         ` Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]                           ` <bb2d078d-1c2f-ad67-d98f-bde3894601d6-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13 17:10                             ` Hans Verkuil
     [not found]                               ` <25963c4e-e326-fd60-32a3-918eea7d9bdc-qWit8jRvyhVmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13 21:47                                 ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-14 16:21                   ` Nicolas Dufresne
     [not found]                     ` <1489508491.28116.8.camel-dDhyB4GVkw9AFePFGvp55w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-14 16:43                       ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-16 22:15                         ` Sakari Ailus
2017-03-14 16:47                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-14 16:50                       ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-14 18:26                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 16/39] [media] v4l2: add a new-frame before end-of-frame event Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10 12:07   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 17/39] [media] v4l2-mc: add a function to inherit controls from a pipeline Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10 11:45   ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 18/39] [media] v4l: subdev: Add function to validate frame interval Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]   ` <1489121599-23206-19-git-send-email-steve_longerbeam-nmGgyN9QBj3QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-11 13:41     ` Sakari Ailus
     [not found]       ` <20170311134119.GO3220-S+BSfZ9RZZmRSg0ZkenSGLdO1Tsj/99ntUK59QYPAWc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-11 20:31         ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-16 22:17           ` Sakari Ailus
2017-03-10  4:52 ` [PATCH v5 19/39] [media] add Omnivision OV5640 sensor driver Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 20/39] platform: add video-multiplexer subdevice driver Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 21/39] UAPI: Add media UAPI Kbuild file Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]   ` <1489121599-23206-22-git-send-email-steve_longerbeam-nmGgyN9QBj3QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-11 13:49     ` Sakari Ailus
2017-03-11 18:20       ` Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]         ` <184c02bf-782d-6dbe-e603-a82ac8dcc8b6-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-13  9:55           ` Hans Verkuil
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 22/39] media: Add userspace header file for i.MX Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10 11:49   ` Hans Verkuil
     [not found]   ` <1489121599-23206-23-git-send-email-steve_longerbeam-nmGgyN9QBj3QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-10 23:32     ` Pavel Machek
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 23/39] media: Add i.MX media core driver Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 24/39] media: imx: Add Capture Device Interface Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 25/39] media: imx: Add CSI subdev driver Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 26/39] media: imx: Add VDIC " Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 27/39] media: imx: Add IC subdev drivers Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 28/39] media: imx: Add MIPI CSI-2 Receiver subdev driver Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 29/39] ARM: imx_v6_v7_defconfig: Enable staging video4linux drivers Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 31/39] media: imx: csi: add support for bayer formats Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 32/39] media: imx: csi: fix crop rectangle changes in set_fmt Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 33/39] media: imx: mipi-csi2: enable setting and getting of frame rates Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 34/39] media: imx: csi: add __csi_get_fmt Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 35/39] media: imx: csi/fim: add support for frame intervals Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 36/39] media: imx: redo pixel format enumeration and negotiation Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 37/39] media: imx: csi: add frame skipping support Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 38/39] media: imx: csi: fix crop rectangle reset in sink set_fmt Steve Longerbeam
     [not found]   ` <1489121599-23206-39-git-send-email-steve_longerbeam-nmGgyN9QBj3QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-19 15:22     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-19 19:08       ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-20 11:55         ` Philipp Zabel
2017-03-20 12:08           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-20 14:00             ` Philipp Zabel
2017-03-20 14:17               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-20 17:16                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]                 ` <20170320141705.GL21222-l+eeeJia6m9URfEZ8mYm6t73F7V6hmMc@public.gmane.org>
2017-03-20 17:23                   ` Philipp Zabel
2017-03-20 20:47                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-21  4:03                     ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-21 11:27                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-21 23:56                       ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-21 23:33                     ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-20 17:40                 ` Philipp Zabel
2017-03-20 17:59                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-20 19:48               ` Steve Longerbeam
2017-03-10  4:53 ` [PATCH v5 39/39] media: imx: propagate sink pad formats to source pads Steve Longerbeam

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