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From: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Alexandre Belloni
	<alexandre.belloni-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Nicolas Ferre
	<nicolas.ferre-UWL1GkI3JZL3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 46/58] clocksource/drivers: Add a new driver for the Atmel ARM TC blocks
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:57:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170608105710.54a551d8@bbrezillon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170608084026.GB2244@mai>

On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:40:26 +0200
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> > > 
> > > Alexandre, Boris, have a look at https://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg572652.html
> > > 
> > > That will tell you the story.  
> > 
> > Then we're in a deadlock situation here. I'm tired of hearing this kind
> > of argument "DT is only supposed to describe HW, not configuration, bla
> > bla". The truth is, we already have plenty of bindings that do not
> > strictly describe HW.
> > 
> > A simple example: ECC configuration on NAND devices. This is clearly a
> > configuration thing, the NAND controller is usually able to support
> > several kind of strength+ECC-block-size config, but we are able to
> > overload this with the nand-ecc-xxx properties. Another example, still
> > MTD related: MTD partitions, this is purely a software configuration,
> > still we allow users to pass this information in the DT. You want
> > another one? What about the linux,code and linux,input-type properties
> > described here [1]?
> > 
> > So please, let's not use these "this is not decribing HW" or "this is
> > linux specific" arguments every time someone tries to encode something
> > that can be considered a configuration detail.
> > 
> > Let's be pragmatic. How you want to use your timer counter blocks (I'm
> > talking about atmel TCBs) is clearly board specific. Whether you want
> > to use the PIT for your clocksource or use one or 2 channels of a TCB
> > at a specific resolution is again board specific. We need a solution to
> > assign timer channels to a linux function, and I'm not convinced
> > passing this information through the command line makes much more sense
> > than specifying it in the DT (and it's definitely less intuitive, since
> > you have to reference something defined in the DT from the cmdline).
> > 
> > Now, in his review, Mark says:
> > 
> > "
> > To me it sounds like what we need is Linux infrastructure that allows
> > one to register a device as having both clockevent/clocksource
> > functionality.
> > 
> > That way, we can choose to do something sane at boot time, and if the
> > user really wants specific devices used in specific ways, they can
> > request that.
> > "
> > 
> > Does that mean that, after adding this "HW timer" infrastructure, we
> > would have a standard way to assign a function to a specific timer
> > block from the DT? How is this different from what I suggest below
> > (note the linux, prefix on my linux,timer-function property, which
> > clearly shows that this is Linux specific)?  
> 
> I like the 'chosen' approach with the nodes you are proposing below. Thanks for
> the constructive suggestion. The binding description matches perfectly what we
> are trying to achieve.

Actually, this is Alexandre who initially suggested the chosen
approach (I thought it was important to mention that ;-)).
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-08  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-30 21:50 [PATCH 00/58] ARM: at91: rework Atmel TCB drivers Alexandre Belloni
2017-05-30 21:50 ` [PATCH 01/58] ARM: at91: Document new TCB bindings Alexandre Belloni
     [not found]   ` <20170530215139.9983-2-alexandre.belloni-wi1+55ScJUtKEb57/3fJTNBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-07 21:17     ` Rob Herring
2017-05-31  6:34 ` [PATCH 00/58] ARM: at91: rework Atmel TCB drivers Peter Rosin
2017-05-31  7:21   ` Alexandre Belloni
     [not found] ` <20170530215139.9983-47-alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com>
     [not found]   ` <20170606152104.GC2345@mai>
     [not found]     ` <20170606180559.pkrr7ux2qqnmsd6y@piout.net>
     [not found]       ` <20170607141735.GH2345@mai>
     [not found]         ` <20170607152750.tksmyf5p3oajbsac@piout.net>
     [not found]           ` <20170607210848.GJ2345@mai>
     [not found]             ` <20170607231715.ns2vcxza2eexnzjs@piout.net>
     [not found]               ` <20170607231715.ns2vcxza2eexnzjs-m++hUPXGwpdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-08  5:42                 ` [PATCH 46/58] clocksource/drivers: Add a new driver for the Atmel ARM TC blocks Boris Brezillon
2017-06-08  7:44                   ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-06-08  7:59                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-06-08  8:24                       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-06-08  8:33                         ` Boris Brezillon
2017-06-08  8:42                         ` Alexandre Belloni
2017-06-08  8:13                     ` Boris Brezillon
2017-06-08  8:40                       ` Daniel Lezcano
2017-06-08  8:57                         ` Boris Brezillon [this message]
2017-06-12 12:54                         ` Nicolas Ferre
     [not found]                           ` <eada48f9-55b5-859d-d37e-4c9e938bc29d-UWL1GkI3JZL3oGB3hsPCZA@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 13:25                             ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                               ` <4c2a5425-acb4-c639-7f54-1dd933c44d03-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-06-12 15:26                                 ` Nicolas Ferre
2017-07-06  6:40 ` [PATCH 00/58] ARM: at91: rework Atmel TCB drivers Thierry Reding

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