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From: Torsten Duwe <duwe@lst.de>
To: Harald Geyer <harald@ccbib.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, info@olimex.com,
	Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@bootlin.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>, Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	ibu@radempa.de, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] arm64: dts: allwinner: a64: teres-i: Enable audio
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:30:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190217123005.6684abf9@blackhole.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1gv6rh-0000Km-U8@stardust.g4.wien.funkfeuer.at>

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 21:47:13 +0100
Harald Geyer <harald@ccbib.org> wrote:
> Torsten Duwe writes:

> > I consider the whole console
> > mux GPIO an U-Boot hack, and would put it into
> > sun50i-a64-teres-i-u-boot.dtsi. (As a LED, see above :-)
> 
> The thing is, one of the quite strict rules in kernel development is:
> Never break userspace. That means: If we provide a way to userspace to
> do something (ie switch between debug and audio), we are expected to
> keep it around forever.

No, that rule applies to mechanisms, not configuration. It's not a
problem if a device disappears completely, especially when it's
optional. For clarity's sake, imagine to drop a .dtbo on the fdt that
disables or removes it, after U-Boot has set it.

> > Would you care to submit a patch version without that GPIO handled?
> > I think it's very useful and has the potential to be agreed upon.
> 
> That would enable audio from the internal speakers but select debug
> output on the HP jack by default.

The kernel driver will use whatever the boot preset is; and a
production U-Boot should set that to audio.

> I would be okay with that, despite
> still thinking that audio on the head phones should be the default.

Yes, for production use. For kernel debugging, hack it in U-Boot.
The audio driver should be the last to care.

Imagine you are debugging a boot problem on the serial console and all
of a sudden it stops working just because the audio driver kicks in!

Should any driver ever be in control of that GPIO, it must not be
audio, IMO.

	Torsten

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-17 11:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-11 11:12 [PATCH RFC] arm64: dts: allwinner: a64: teres-i: Enable audio Torsten Duwe
2019-02-11 13:36 ` Harald Geyer
2019-02-11 15:39   ` Maxime Ripard
2019-02-11 19:32     ` Harald Geyer
2019-02-12  8:38       ` Maxime Ripard
2019-02-12  9:42         ` Harald Geyer
2019-02-12 10:09           ` Maxime Ripard
2019-02-12 19:37             ` Harald Geyer
2019-02-13  9:44               ` Maxime Ripard
2019-02-13 11:43                 ` Harald Geyer
2019-02-13 15:53                   ` Maxime Ripard
2019-02-14  0:12                     ` Harald Geyer
2019-02-15 14:20                       ` Torsten Duwe
2019-02-16 20:47                         ` Harald Geyer
2019-02-17 11:30                           ` Torsten Duwe [this message]
2019-02-18 10:24                           ` Maxime Ripard
2019-04-30 13:32                             ` Torsten Duwe
2019-05-02  7:46                               ` Maxime Ripard
2019-05-02 14:48                                 ` Harald Geyer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-02-01 11:37 Harald Geyer
2019-02-12  8:34 ` Chen-Yu Tsai

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