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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Kamlesh Gurudasani <kamlesh@ti.com>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>, Nishanth Menon <nm@ti.com>,
	Vignesh Raghavendra <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	Tero Kristo <kristo@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Maxime Coquelin <mcoquelin.stm32@gmail.com>,
	Alexandre Torgue <alexandre.torgue@foss.st.com>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-stm32@st-md-mailman.stormreply.com
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PATCH v2 0/6] Add support for Texas Instruments MCRC64 engine
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 22:17:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230822051710.GC1661@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h6owen39.fsf@kamlesh.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 02:36:34PM +0530, Kamlesh Gurudasani wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> 
> We are more interested in offload than performance, with splice system
> call and DMA mode in driver(will be implemented after this series gets
> merged), good amount of cpu cycles will be saved.

So it's for power usage, then?  Or freeing up CPU for other tasks?

> There is one more mode(auto mode) in mcrc64 which helps to verify crc64
> values against pre calculated crc64, saving the efforts of comparing in
> userspace.

Is there any path forward to actually support this?

> 
> Current generic implementation of crc64-iso(part of this series)
> gives 173 Mb/s of speed as opposed to mcrc64 which gives speed of 812
> Mb/s when tested with tcrypt.

This doesn't answer my question, which to reiterate was:

    How does performance compare to a properly optimized software CRC
    implementation on your platform, i.e. an implementation using carryless
    multiplication instructions (e.g. ARMv8 CE) if available on your platform,
    otherwise an implementation using the slice-by-8 or slice-by-16 method?

The implementation you tested was slice-by-1.  Compared to that, it's common for
slice-by-8 to speed up CRCs by about 4 times and for folding with carryless
multiplication to speed up CRCs by 10-30 times, sometimes limited only by memory
bandwidth.  I don't know what specific results you would get on your specific
CPU and for this specific CRC, and you could certainly see something different
if you e.g. have some low-end embedded CPU.  But those are the typical results
I've seen for other CRCs on different CPUs.  So, a software implementation may
be more attractive than you realize.  It could very well be the case that a
PMULL based CRC implementation actually ends up with less CPU load than your
"hardware offload", when taking into syscall, algif_hash, and driver overhead...

- Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-22  5:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-10 19:28 [PATCH v2 0/6] Add support for Texas Instruments MCRC64 engine Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-10 19:28 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] lib: add ISO 3309 model crc64 Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-10 19:28 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] crypto: crc64 - add crc64-iso framework Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-11  4:24   ` Eric Biggers
2023-08-11  6:40     ` [EXTERNAL] " Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-12  2:55   ` Eric Biggers
2023-08-18  7:25     ` [EXTERNAL] " Kamlesh Gurudasani
2024-02-22 21:50       ` Elliott, Robert (Servers)
2024-02-29  8:45         ` Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-10 19:28 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] dt-bindings: crypto: Add Texas Instruments MCRC64 Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-11 15:34   ` Conor Dooley
2023-08-11 15:36     ` Conor Dooley
2024-05-27  8:25       ` [EXTERNAL] " Kamlesh Gurudasani
2024-05-27  8:33         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-05-27 10:11           ` Kamlesh Gurudasani
2024-05-29  5:13             ` Vignesh Raghavendra
2023-08-10 19:28 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] crypto: ti - add driver for MCRC64 engine Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-10 19:28 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] arm64: dts: ti: k3-am62: Add dt node, cbass_main ranges for MCRC64 Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-10 20:21   ` Nishanth Menon
2023-08-10 19:28 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] arm64: defconfig: enable TI MCRC64 module Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-10 20:25   ` Nishanth Menon
2023-08-12  3:01 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] Add support for Texas Instruments MCRC64 engine Eric Biggers
2023-08-18  9:06   ` [EXTERNAL] " Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-22  5:17     ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2023-08-30 11:51       ` [EXTERNAL] " Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-09-20  6:53         ` Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-10-03  6:07           ` Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-30 13:48       ` Kamlesh Gurudasani
2023-08-30 14:46       ` Kamlesh Gurudasani

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