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From: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-phy@lists.infradead.org,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Madalin Bucur <madalin.bucur@nxp.com>,
	Ioana Ciornei <ioana.ciornei@nxp.com>,
	Camelia Groza <camelia.groza@nxp.com>,
	Li Yang <leoyang.li@nxp.com>, Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org>,
	Sean Anderson <sean.anderson@seco.com>,
	Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>,
	Vinod Koul <vkoul@kernel.org>,
	Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 07/15] net: phylink: centralize phy_interface_mode_is_8023z() && phylink_autoneg_inband() checks
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 00:03:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231003210302.sxz6jmcs7t5jmcqz@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZRv6vNJhvVI9/1RX@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 12:27:56PM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 04:48:56PM +0300, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> > In a future change, we will extend the PHY interface modes for which
> > phylink allows the PCS to handle autoneg. Group the existing occurences
> > into a common phylink_pcs_handles_an().
> 
> I don't see anything wrong with this change, despite my comments on the
> next patch. However, including INTERNAL in this may cause problems with
> DSA. I think maybe these two patches need to be tested on DSA setups
> that make use of INTERNAL.

Prompted by your observation in a different comment, I've searched for
PHY_INTERFACE_MODE_10GKR and found aqr107_read_status(), which sets
phydev->interface to this value based on the MDIO_MMD_PHYXS :
MDIO_PHYXS_VEND_IF_STATUS field.

I am now of the opinion that phy_interface_t is a phylib-only property,
more than anything else, and a slightly obsolete/hard to extend concept,
at that.

The selling point of phylink_pcs is the possibility to have an optional
phylink PHY, so I wouldn't want to reinterpret phy-mode = "internal" and
managed = "in-band-status" to mean "clause 73 autoneg in the phylink_pcs",
because that would quickly clash with the phylib PHY's desire to see the
phy-mode set to something else (it is definitely not "internal").

I don't have access to an AQR107 with firmware provisioning for KR on
the system interface, but presuming the feature isn't entirely bogus,
I shouldn't deliberately close the door for it.

I am exploring the possibility of adding support for 'managed = "c73"'
as another autoneg mode in phylink, among the existing MLO_AN_FIXED,
MLO_AN_PHY and MLO_AN_INBAND. It is quite clear that MLO_AN_INBAND !=
MLO_AN_C73, because the former is the PCS doing the negotiation and the
latter is a dedicated block selecting a technology-specific PCS. So I
think there is room for this extra autoneg mode.

I am also trying to see if there's anything hardwired into phylink to
require a phy-mode when a phylib PHY is absent. I will find that out in
the following days, while working on the v3. I guess for optical SFPs,
it just made sense to reuse the same data structures, to present MAC
drivers the same kind of API as for SFP modules with PHYs. But with C73
autoneg, I don't think it makes as much sense.

If phylink can be made to not require a phy-mode, I would prefer to pass
PHY_INTERFACE_MODE_NA, and for it to be completely ignored for MLO_AN_C73,
both in phylink and in phylink-using drivers.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-03 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-23 13:48 [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 00/15] Add C72/C73 copper backplane support for LX2160 Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 01/15] phy: introduce phy_get_status() and use it to report CDR lock Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-02 19:16   ` Florian Fainelli
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 02/15] phy: introduce the PHY_MODE_ETHTOOL mode for phy_set_mode_ext() Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-02 19:19   ` Florian Fainelli
2023-10-03 16:04     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 03/15] phy: ethernet: add configuration interface for copper backplane Ethernet PHYs Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-28 13:36   ` Simon Horman
2023-09-28 19:05   ` Simon Horman
2023-10-02 13:11     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-02 17:20       ` Simon Horman
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 04/15] phy: allow querying the address of protocol converters through phy_get_status() Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-29 16:23   ` Vinod Koul
2023-10-02 10:09     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 05/15] net: add 25GBase-KR-S and 25GBase-CR-S to ethtool link mode UAPI Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-03 11:19   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 06/15] net: mii: add C73 base page helpers Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 07/15] net: phylink: centralize phy_interface_mode_is_8023z() && phylink_autoneg_inband() checks Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-28 13:38   ` Simon Horman
2023-10-03 11:27   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-10-03 21:03     ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 08/15] net: phylink: allow PCS to handle C73 autoneg for phy-mode = "internal" Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-02 14:17   ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-03 11:06     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-10-03 15:00       ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 09/15] net: ethtool: introduce ethtool_link_mode_str() Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-03 11:30   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-10-04  0:08   ` Florian Fainelli
2023-09-23 13:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 10/15] net: phylink: support all ethtool port modes with inband modes Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 11/15] net: phylink: support the 25GBase-KR-S and 25GBase-CR-S link modes too Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-03 11:31   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-10-03 16:24     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 12/15] net: phylink: add the 25G link modes to phylink_c73_priority_resolution[] Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-03 13:16   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-10-03 16:33     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 13/15] dt-bindings: lynx-pcs: add properties for backplane mode Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-24 11:49   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2023-10-02 12:19     ` Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-23 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 14/15] net: pcs: mtip_backplane: add driver for MoreThanIP backplane AN/LT core Vladimir Oltean
2023-09-28 19:06   ` Simon Horman
2023-09-23 13:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 net-next 15/15] net: pcs: lynx: use MTIP AN/LT block for copper backplanes Vladimir Oltean
2023-10-03 13:14   ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-10-03 19:00     ` Vladimir Oltean

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