From: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>
To: David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>
Cc: "Marcelo Schmitt" <marcelo.schmitt1@gmail.com>,
"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
"Marcelo Schmitt" <marcelo.schmitt@analog.com>,
"Michael Hennerich" <michael.hennerich@analog.com>,
"Nuno Sá" <nuno.sa@analog.com>,
"Jonathan Cameron" <jic23@kernel.org>,
"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>,
"Sean Anderson" <sean.anderson@linux.dev>,
linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-iio@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 7/7] dt-bindings: iio: adc: adi,ad4030: add data-lanes property
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2025 12:32:58 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251208183258.GA2439268-robh@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b31f9e88-a078-47f4-8d6c-359a0394ef7e@baylibre.com>
On Mon, Dec 08, 2025 at 10:14:36AM -0600, David Lechner wrote:
> On 12/5/25 6:47 PM, Rob Herring wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 05, 2025 at 05:43:31PM -0600, David Lechner wrote:
> >> On 12/5/25 3:33 PM, David Lechner wrote:
> >>> On 12/5/25 3:12 PM, Marcelo Schmitt wrote:
> >>>> On 12/04, Rob Herring wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2025 at 08:20:45PM -0600, David Lechner wrote:
> >>>>>> Add data-lanes property to specify the number of data lanes used on the
> >>>>>> ad463x chips that support reading two samples at the same time using
> >>>>>> two data lanes with a capable SPI controller.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> v3 changes: new patch
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I added this one to give a real-world use case where spi-rx-bus-width
> >>>>>> was not sufficient to fully describe the hardware configuration.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> spi-rx-bus-width = <4>; alone could be be interpreted as either:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +--------------+ +----------+
> >>>>>> | SPI | | AD4630 |
> >>>>>> | Controller | | ADC |
> >>>>>> | | | |
> >>>>>> | SDIA0 |<---| SDOA0 |
> >>>>>> | SDIA1 |<---| SDOA1 |
> >>>>>> | SDIA2 |<---| SDOA2 |
> >>>>>> | SDIA3 |<---| SDOA3 |
> >>>>>> | | | |
> >>>>>> | SDIB0 |x | SDOB0 |
> >>>>>> | SDIB1 |x | SDOB1 |
> >>>>>> | SDIB2 |x | SDOB2 |
> >>>>>> | SDIB3 |x | SDOB3 |
> >>>>>> | | | |
> >>>>>> +--------------+ +---------+
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +--------------+ +----------+
> >>>>>> | SPI | | AD4630 |
> >>>>>> | Controller | | ADC |
> >>>>>> | | | |
> >>>>>> | SDIA0 |<---| SDOA0 |
> >>>>>> | SDIA1 |<---| SDOA1 |
> >>>>>> | SDIA2 |x | SDOA2 |
> >>>>>> | SDIA3 |x | SDOA3 |
> >>>>>> | | | |
> >>>>>> | SDIB0 |<---| SDOB0 |
> >>>>>> | SDIB1 |<---| SDOB1 |
> >>>>>> | SDIB2 |x | SDOB2 |
> >>>>>> | SDIB3 |x | SDOB3 |
> >>>>>> | | | |
> >>>>>> +--------------+ +---------+
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now, with data-lanes having a default value of [0] (inherited from
> >>>>>> spi-peripheral-props.yaml), specifying:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> spi-rx-bus-width = <4>;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> is unambiguously the first case and the example given in the binding
> >>>>>> documentation is the second case:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> spi-rx-bus-width = <2>;
> >>>>>> data-lanes = <0>, <1>;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just reviewed this and all, but what if you just did:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> spi-rx-bus-width = <2>, <2>;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So *-bus-width becomes equal to the number of serializers/channels.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless I'm missing something, I think that would also describe the currently
> >>>> possible use cases as well. To me, it actually seems even more accurate than
> >>>> data-lanes. The data-lanes property only describes the SPI controller input
> >>>> lines/lanes, no info is given about the output lanes.
> >>>
> >>> It describes both directions.
> >>>
> >>>> Well yeah, that would only> be a problem for a device with multiple input serializers and multiple output
> >>>> serializers. Still, the *-bus-width = <N>, <N>, ... <N>; notation looks clearer,
> >>>> IMHO.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rob
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>> It think it complicates Sean's use case though where such
> >>> a controller is being used as basically two separate SPI
> >>> buses.
> >>>
> >>> For that case, we want to be able to do:
> >>>
> >>> spi {
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> thing@0 {
> >>> compatible = ...;
> >>> reg = <0>;
> >>> /* (implicit) data-lanes = <0>; */
> >>> };
> >>>
> >>> thing@1 {
> >>> compatible = ...;
> >>> reg = <1>;
> >>> data-lanes = <1>;
> >>> };
> >>> };
> >>>
> >>> Meaning:
> >>>
> >>> +--------------+ +----------+
> >>> | SPI | | Thing 1 |
> >>> | Controller | | |
> >>> | | | |
> >>> | CS0 |--->| CS |
> >>> | SDI0 |<---| SDO |
> >>> | SDO0 |--->| SDI |
> >>> | SCLK0 |--->| SCLK |
> >>> | | | |
> >>> | | +----------+
> >>> | |
> >>> | | +----------+
> >>> | | | Thing 2 |
> >>> | | | |
> >>> | CS1 |--->| CS |
> >>> | SDI1 |<---| SDO |
> >>> | SDO1 |--->| SDI |
> >>> | SCLK1 |--->| SCLK |
> >>> | | | |
> >>> +--------------+ +----------+
> >>>
> >>> (I don't remember if SCLKs are shared or separate, but I don't
> >>> think that is relevant anyway).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I guess we could write it like this?
> >>>
> >>> spi {
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> thing@0 {
> >>> compatible = ...;
> >>> reg = <0>;
> >>> };
> >>>
> >>> thing@1 {
> >>> compatible = ...;
> >>> reg = <1>;
> >>> spi-tx-bus-width = <0>, <1>;
> >>> spi-rx-bus-width = <0>, <1>;
> >>> };
> >>> };
> >
> > I forget the details on that, but just looking at the above I think
> > something like that should have 2 SPI bus nodes under the controller.
> > Unless CS0 and CS1 can't be asserted at the same time and they aren't
> > really independent.
>
> It is the case that they aren't really independent. Only one "bus"
> can operate at a time.
>
> >
> > But would be good to wait for Sean's comments here.
> >
> >>
> >> I started down this road. Before I do the working of changing the
> >> whole series, this is what it will probably look like. Is this really
> >> what we want?
> >>
> >> There is one issue I see with this. If we allow <0> to mean that a lane
> >> isn't wired up on the controller, then we can't constrain the length of
> >> the array in peripheral bindings. For example, the ad403x chips can only
> >> have one lane and the ad463x chips can have one or two lanes. But I
> >> don't see a way to express that in the binding if <0> at any index
> >> doesn't count towards the number of lanes that are actually wired up.
> >
> > That's fine I think. How many entries is primarily a controller
> > property. We set the length in the controller binding. The device just
> > sets the maximum width per channel.
> >
> >>
> >> This is e.g. why the binding in sitronix,st7789v.yaml is
> >>
> >> items:
> >> enum: [0, 1]
> >>
> >> rather than
> >>
> >> items:
> >> - enum: [0, 1]
> >>
> >> ---
> >> commit 049b9508b1b0190f87a4b35fe3ed8a9f3d0d3c50
> >> Author: David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>
> >> Date: Fri Dec 5 16:09:08 2025 -0600
> >>
> >> spi: dt-bindings: change spi-{rx,tx}-bus-width to arrays
> >>
> >> Change spi-rx-bus-width and spi-tx-bus-width properties from single
> >> uint32 values to arrays of uint32 values. This allows describing SPI
> >> peripherals connected to controllers that have multiple data lanes for
> >> receiving or transmitting two or more words at the same time.
> >>
> >> Bindings that make use of this property are updated in the same commit
> >> to avoid validation errors. Bindings that used minimum/maximum are
> >> changed to use enum instead to be consistent with the base property
> >> definition.
> >>
> >> The adi,ad4030 binding has an example added now that we can fully
> >> describe the peripheral's capabilities.
> >>
> >> Converting from single uint32 to array of uint32 does not break .dts/
> >> .dtb files since there is no difference between specifying a single
> >> uint32 value and an array with a single uint32 value in devicetree.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/sitronix,st7789v.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/sitronix,st7789v.yaml
> >> index 0ce2ea13583d..23b33dcd5ed4 100644
> >> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/sitronix,st7789v.yaml
> >> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/sitronix,st7789v.yaml
> >> @@ -34,8 +34,8 @@ properties:
> >> spi-cpol: true
> >>
> >> spi-rx-bus-width:
> >> - minimum: 0
> >> - maximum: 1
> >> + items:
> >> + enum: [0, 1]
> >>
> >> dc-gpios:
> >> maxItems: 1
> >> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/adi,ad4030.yaml b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/adi,ad4030.yaml
> >> index 54e7349317b7..6052a44b04de 100644
> >> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/adi,ad4030.yaml
> >> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/adc/adi,ad4030.yaml
> >> @@ -37,7 +37,8 @@ properties:
> >> maximum: 102040816
> >>
> >> spi-rx-bus-width:
> >> - enum: [1, 2, 4]
> >> + items:
> >> + enum: [1, 2, 4]
> >
> > We'd need to allow 0 here, right?
>
> To avoid binding check failures, yes, I suppose so. All of the
> `const: 1` would need to be changed to `enum: [0, 1]` as well.
>
> Although since the controller also could have limitations maybe
> we should have the controller use `enum` and have the peripheral
> use `maximum`?
Yeah, that's probably better.
> Then, if we have a controller with:
>
> patternProperties:
> "@[0-9a-f]+$":
> # controller has 2 lanes with 2 lines per lane
> spi-rx-bus-width:
> maxItems: 2
> items:
> enum: [0, 1, 2]
>
> And a peripheral with:
>
> properties:
> spi-rx-bus-width:
> items:
> maximum: 4
>
> The controller limit would be in effect and cause a binding check error
> if attempting to use bus width of 4.
>
> But if the controller was enum: [0, 1, 2, 4, 8], then the peripheral
> maximum would be the limiting factor if attempting to use bus width of 8.
>
> >
> > What we really want to say is there is exactly 1 entry of 1, 2, or 4. I
>
> Not sure this is what we want. For the ADC cases, we want 2 or 4 items
> in the array to be the same value.
I meant for devices with only 1 possible channel attached to a
controller with multiple channels.
On an ADC with multiple channels, you'd want 'minItems: 2' (or more)
unless it can work with a single channel.
>
> > can't think of a concise way to say that. The closest is something like
> > this:
> >
> > uniqueItems: true
> > items:
> > enum: [0, 1, 2, 4]
> > contains:
> > enum: [1, 2, 4]
Actually, uniqueItems doesn't work here. It would prevent multiple
unused channels (e.g. [0, 4, 0, 0] ).
So there's not really any sane way to constrain this case. That's fine I
guess.
Rob
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-08 18:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-02 2:20 [PATCH v3 0/7] spi: add multi-lane support David Lechner
2025-12-02 2:20 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] spi: dt-bindings: Add data-lanes property David Lechner
2025-12-04 21:29 ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2025-12-02 2:20 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] spi: Support controllers with multiple data lanes David Lechner
2025-12-02 14:44 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-12-02 14:47 ` David Lechner
2025-12-02 2:20 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] spi: add multi_lane_mode field to struct spi_transfer David Lechner
2025-12-02 14:48 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-12-02 2:20 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] spi: axi-spi-engine: support SPI_MULTI_LANE_MODE_STRIPE David Lechner
2025-12-02 14:53 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-12-02 16:36 ` Mark Brown
2025-12-10 0:02 ` David Lechner
2025-12-10 10:59 ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-12-02 2:20 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] dt-bindings: iio: adc: adi,ad7380: add spi-lanes property David Lechner
2025-12-04 21:29 ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2025-12-02 2:20 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] iio: adc: ad7380: Add support for multiple SPI lanes David Lechner
2025-12-02 2:20 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] dt-bindings: iio: adc: adi,ad4030: add data-lanes property David Lechner
2025-12-04 21:33 ` Rob Herring
2025-12-05 21:12 ` Marcelo Schmitt
2025-12-05 21:33 ` David Lechner
2025-12-05 23:43 ` David Lechner
2025-12-06 0:47 ` Rob Herring
2025-12-08 16:14 ` David Lechner
2025-12-08 18:32 ` Rob Herring [this message]
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