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From: Lee Jones <lee@kernel.org>
To: Markus Probst <markus.probst@posteo.de>
Cc: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] mfd: Add initial synology microp driver
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2026 15:27:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260309152711.GV183676@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b04fdc5abc18f4344b2f15353be8d3092c60913.camel@posteo.de>

On Mon, 09 Mar 2026, Markus Probst wrote:

> On Mon, 2026-03-09 at 15:15 +0000, Lee Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Mar 2026, Markus Probst wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, 2026-03-09 at 14:32 +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> > > > On Mon Mar 9, 2026 at 1:52 PM CET, Markus Probst wrote:
> > > > > Yes. I will split it into multiple drivers using the aux bus in the
> > > > > next revision.
> > > > 
> > > > Independent of the other discussion whether this belongs into the kernel in the
> > > > first place, reading over the cover letter and commit message I understood the
> > > > following.
> > > > 
> > > >   "Synology uses a microcontroller in their NAS devices connected to a serial
> > > >   port [...]" controlling LEDs, fan speeds, a beeper, etc.
> > > > 
> > > >   I.e. it muliplexes several physical functions that belong to different
> > > >   subsystems, such as hwmon, input, etc. over a single serial port.
> > > > 
> > > > This sounds like a textbook candidate for MFD to me.
> > 
> > Then you do not know what a textbook candidate for MFD is. :)
> > 
> > What part of the MFD API does this device utilise?
> > 
> > > > I.e. there is a very loose coupling of the different functions that make up for
> > > > entirely independent drivers, except that they share the same serial port
> > > > connection.
> > > > 
> > > > Whereas the auxiliary bus is more for very complicated devices to be broken down
> > > > into more managable (sometimes optional) sub-domains, where the corresponding
> > > > drivers usually have driver specific APIs to interact with each other.
> > > > 
> > > > - Danilo
> > > 
> > > QNAP and Synology do things very similarly.
> > > There is already a driver for QNAP devices:
> > > 
> > > drivers/mfd/qnap-mcu.c
> > > drivers/leds/leds-qnap-mcu.c
> > > drivers/input/misc/qnap-mcu-input.c
> > > drivers/hwmon/qnap-mcu-hwmon.c
> > > drivers/nvmem/qnap-mcu-eeprom.c
> > > 
> > > drivers/power/reset/qnap-poweroff.c (this one is not part of the mfd)
> > > 
> > > and I try to implement the equivalent for Synology devices.
> > > Given its a MFD I would assume the same applies to this driver?
> > 
> > Of course not.
> > 
> > The QNAP driver above calls devm_mfd_add_devices().
> > 
> > This one uses none of the MFD functionality provided.
> > 
> > Linux supports 10's if not 100's of devices which do more than one
> > thing.  Only a fraction of them are Linux MFDs.  MFD in Linux is an API,
> > not a type of device.
> > 
> > Don't get me wrong, you could probably code up this device as a Linux
> > MFD, but you have chosen not to, so therefore it cannot reside here.
> From what I have read so far, the way its written it probably can't
> live anywhere inside the kernel right now.

There is a place for everything in the kernel.

> So it will be restructured
> to either use mfd or auxiliary, which both involve splitting the driver
> up into multiple pieces.

The driver should absolutely be split up into multiple pieces with each
part being redistributed into its associated subsystem.

> From what Danilo is writing, it will likely be
> mfd.

If you use the MFD API, then it can live in drivers/mfd.  If you go with
the Auxiliary route, then you'll have to find somewhere else to put it.

-- 
Lee Jones [李琼斯]

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-09 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-08 18:41 [PATCH v2 0/2] Introduce Synology Microp driver Markus Probst
2026-03-08 18:41 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] dt-bindings: mfd: Add synology,microp device Markus Probst
2026-03-09  7:17   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-03-08 18:41 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mfd: Add initial synology microp driver Markus Probst
2026-03-08 18:55   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-08 19:15     ` Markus Probst
2026-03-09  5:56       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-09  9:43         ` Lee Jones
2026-03-09 12:52         ` Markus Probst
2026-03-09 13:07           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-09 13:34             ` Markus Probst
2026-03-09 13:32           ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-09 13:38             ` Markus Probst
2026-03-09 15:15               ` Lee Jones
2026-03-09 15:20                 ` Markus Probst
2026-03-09 15:27                   ` Lee Jones [this message]
2026-03-09 15:37                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-09 15:50                   ` Lee Jones
2026-03-08 18:56   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-08 19:23     ` Markus Probst
2026-03-09  5:55       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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