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From: Herve Codina <herve.codina@bootlin.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Conor Dooley <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>,
	Ayush Singh <ayush@beagleboard.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	devicetree-compiler@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devicetree-spec@vger.kernel.org,
	Hui Pu <hui.pu@gehealthcare.com>,
	Ian Ray <ian.ray@gehealthcare.com>,
	Luca Ceresoli <luca.ceresoli@bootlin.com>,
	Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 08/74] livetree: Improve get_node_by_phandle()
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2026 09:41:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261028094110.2a8133a2@bootlin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auFgv_f0av-JxMjg@gractus.seuss>

Hi David,

On Wed, 28 Oct 2026 13:41:14 +1100
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:

...

> > 
> > Ok, I will rename node->phandle to node->phandle_ and add a comment saying
> > that phandle_ field must not be accessed directly.  
> 
> You can even switch it back after you've checked there are no stray
> accesses to it.

If I switch it back, why talking about renaming?

Of course, I will do this renaming locally to be sure that I handle all
users but in the end no commit will rename this field.

> 
> > Related to existing users, I can see check_explicit_phandles() available
> > in the checks.c file.
> > 
> > check_explicit_phandles() could use the new get_node_phandle_exising() with
> > the caching feature. The only problematic part will be
> > --- 8< ---
> > 	if (linux_phandle && phandle && (phandle != linux_phandle))
> > 		FAIL(c, dti, node, "mismatching 'phandle' and 'linux,phandle'"
> > 		     " properties");
> > --- 8< ---
> >
> > Indeed, this check is done in get_node_phandle_existing() and the function
> > returns 0 (invalid phandle) when both properties are set with a different
> > value. A value other than 0 should be returned by get_node_phandle_existing()
> > to identify that mismatching properties values.
> > 
> > This should not be a big deal if we introduced a new invalid phandle value:
> >   - 0:
> >     Invalid value. Can be returned by get_node_phandle_existing().
> > 
> >   - ~0:
> >     Unresolved value (phandle value in properties) or value cached in 
> >     phandle->node_ for "mismatch 'phandle' and 'linux,phandle' properties
> >     values". Can be returned by get_node_phandle_existing().
> > 
> >   - (~0)-1:
> >     Invalid value in properties and or value cached in phandle->node_ for Invalid value.
> >     Will not be returned by get_node_phandle_existing().
> >     When this cached value is found, 0 will be returned.
> >
> > In phandle_is_valid(), those 3 values will be checked to determine if the phandle
> > value is valid or not.  
> 
> Alas, we can't do that.  Which phandle values are valid is long
> established from the IEEE1275 days, and we can't really change it.  I
> don't _know_ if there are existing trees out there using 0xfffffffe as
> a valid phandle, but there could be.

Ok.

> 
> *thinks*
> 
> In some ways it would be elegant for get_node_phandle_existing() to
> report the various different error conditions separately, but I think
> the awkwardness of passing that information back to the checks is
> going to outweigh it.
> 
> So, I think we're actually better off separating lookup of phandles
> from validation.  So get_node_phandle_existing() (or whatever we call
> it) will return 0 if there's no valid phandle, whether that's simply
> because it's missing, or there's something malformed.  Separately
> check_explicit_phandles() will report specific types of malformed
> phandle properties.
> 
> It does result in a little redudant logic, but I think it's the best
> overall approach for now.

Right. Ok on my side to have this redundancy.

> 
> > Now last point, renaming get_node_phandle_existing().
> > 
> > get_node_phandle() already exist. It get a phandle but also if the node doesn't
> > have a phandle, it allocate a new phandle value and set node "phandle" or
> > "linux, phandle" property to this allocated value.  
> 
> Ah, sorry, I misunderstood what the "existing" was referring to.
> 
> > IHMO, get_node_phandle() should be renamed to set_node_phandle() and
> > get_node_phandle_existing() should be renamed to get_node_phandle().  
> 
> Right, the existing name is bad.  But let's go with
> get_or_assign_phandle() for the existing one and get_phandle() for the
> new one.  (The "node" added no useful information and this way they're
> two new names to reduce confusion).

Ok, will use those names.

Best regards,
Hervé

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-28  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-26  9:48 [RFC PATCH v2 00/74] Add support for dtb metadata and addon device-trees Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/74] dtc-parser.y: Avoid an empty proplist Herve Codina
2026-10-14  9:25   ` David Gibson
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/74] Introduce v20 dtb version Herve Codina
2026-10-16  8:29   ` David Gibson
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/74] fdtdump: Introduce get_structured_tag_data() Herve Codina
2026-10-16  8:30   ` David Gibson
2026-10-19 13:17     ` Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/74] libfdt: Introduce fdt_get_structured_tag_data() Herve Codina
2026-10-19  0:24   ` David Gibson
2026-10-19 13:18     ` Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/74] libfdt: Prepare for metadata tag support Herve Codina
2026-10-19  0:58   ` David Gibson
2026-10-19 13:56     ` Herve Codina
2026-10-20  6:41       ` David Gibson
2026-10-20 11:14         ` Herve Codina
2026-10-21  1:44           ` David Gibson
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/74] dtc: Move fill_fullpaths() into build_dt_info() Herve Codina
2026-10-19  2:12   ` David Gibson
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/74] Add support for FDT_PROPDATA_PHANDLE dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-10-21  3:13   ` David Gibson
2026-10-21 17:26     ` Herve Codina
2026-10-22  3:02       ` David Gibson
2026-10-22  9:47         ` Herve Codina
2026-10-23  1:23           ` David Gibson
2026-10-23 11:29             ` Herve Codina
2026-10-26  1:30               ` David Gibson
2026-10-26 13:18                 ` Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/74] livetree: Improve get_node_by_phandle() Herve Codina
2026-10-23  3:25   ` David Gibson
2026-10-23 16:15     ` Herve Codina
2026-10-26  1:33       ` David Gibson
2026-10-26 11:56         ` Herve Codina
2026-10-28  2:41           ` David Gibson
2026-10-28  8:41             ` Herve Codina [this message]
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/74] dtc: Complete REF_PHANDLE markers with ref strings and is_local flags Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/74] tests: Add basic metadata tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/74] Add support for FDT_PROPDATA_PHANDLE_REF dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/74] tests: metadata: Add external phandle reference tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/74] Add support for /addon/ keyword Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/74] tests: Add a test related to addon dt_flags header value Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/74] tests: metadata: Add a basic addon test Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/74] dtc: Introduce export symbols Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/74] dtc: Add support for /export/ dts keyword parsing Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/74] checks: Handle export symbols in fixup_phandle_references() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/74] dtc: Add export symbols (/export/ keyword) in generated dts file Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/74] dtc: Extend complete_references() to handle export symbols Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/74] Add support for FDT_EXPORT_SYM dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/74] tests: metadata: Add export symbols with local references tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/74] dtc: Add support for export symbols sorting Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/74] tests: metadata: Add a test " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/74] Add support for FDT_EXPORT_SYM_REF dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/74] tests: metadata: Add export symbols with external references tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/74] dtc: Introduce import symbols Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/74] dtc-parser: Introduce last_header_flags Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/74] dtc: Add support for /import/ dts keyword parsing Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/74] dtc: Add import symbols (/import/ keyword) in generated dts file Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/74] Add support for FDT_IMPORT_SYM dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/74] tests: metadata: Add import symbols tests Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/74] dtc: Add support for import symbols sorting Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/74] tests: metadata: Improve sort test to check " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/74] checks: Get 'chosen' node using get_subnode() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_path() signature to take dt_info Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 37/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_label() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 38/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_phandle() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 39/74] dtc: Change get_node_by_ref() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 40/74] dtc: Change get_node_phandle() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 41/74] dtc: Change get_property_by_label() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 42/74] dtc: Change get_marker_label() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 43/74] dtc: Change fill_fullpaths() " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 44/74] dtc: Introduce orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 45/74] dtc: Handle orphan nodes in get_xxx_by_yyy() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 46/74] dtc: Avoid NULL fullpath for nodes in orphan trees Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 47/74] dtc: Handle orphan nodes in complete_references() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 48/74] checks: Perform checks for orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 49/74] dtc: Rename add_orphan_node() to plugin_add_orphan_node() Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 50/74] dtc: Add basic support for addon orphan nodes in dts Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 51/74] Add support for FDT_BEGIN_NODE_REF dtb tag Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 52/74] tests: metadata: Add basic test for addon orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 53/74] dtc: Add support for missing root node in addon device-tree Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 54/74] tests: metadata: Add a test for addon without root node Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 55/74] dtc: Allow parser_get_node_by_ref() to return an orphan node for merging purpose Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 56/74] tests: metadata: Add a test related to orphan node merging Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 57/74] dtc: Add support for orphan nodes sorting Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 58/74] tests: metadata: Improve sort test to check " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 59/74] dtc: Add support for references by path involving orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 60/74] tests: metadata: Add a test " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 61/74] dtc: Add support for namespace labels references Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 62/74] tests: metadata: Add a test " Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 63/74] libfdt: Add support for applying an addon on a base device-tree blob Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 64/74] Add fdtaddon tool to apply an addon Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 65/74] tests: Add a first basic test for fdtaddon Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 66/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a basic test for addons using an orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 67/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a basic test for addons with unresolved phandle references Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 68/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a basic test for addons with references by path to orphan nodes Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 69/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test for addons with properties identical to existing ones Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 70/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test for addons using namespace label references Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 71/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test for using 'stacked' addons Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 72/74] tests: fdtaddon: Add a test using more realistic dts and dtsa Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 73/74] libfdt/fdt_addon.c: Add support for an external resolver Herve Codina
2026-08-26  9:49 ` [RFC PATCH v2 74/74] fdtaddon: Add a simple " Herve Codina

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