From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69546C47083 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2021 04:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4559161407 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2021 04:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229474AbhFDE1W (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 Jun 2021 00:27:22 -0400 Received: from mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com ([212.3.242.97]:42276 "EHLO mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229452AbhFDE1W (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 Jun 2021 00:27:22 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 382 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Fri, 04 Jun 2021 00:27:21 EDT Received: from ichabod.co-bxl (ichabod.co-bxl [10.2.0.36]) by mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52793A46; Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:19:13 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1622780353; s=20210208-e7xh; d=mailfence.com; i=broake@mailfence.com; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; l=2612; bh=w2nEVGuGdnczyTILlBwY6TwUcHmF3Bc7DpAA05kNbHo=; b=iIqRpOU6RY5cQRiKIWXgf4p1szQsoDAMn0GzrkbtaOwA1eF005MnYbli2c1UMIEO bjCnW/6RkGkGzk+1A65dKuRjI2UB7FdxTCJvoTOLn2CHJwQ2QjeE+Rc53oajfavydnx oaN14H6z8+ojI0whfDK24OTS+NwtRtfRW7c3EtAAIKmFQYljwiGtKeQwjSJ+Us8BuBe fQgHmKbNnMF4oW80qw7pCbQobTN++uS6sG2V9q7/gG/cuxRTooNX/2F5bU0lRmeowZ+ DRjDLT8ibdCrQfcnNXAxi5vogD0ZGa+vLMaF8uhP0KBAeQtDaGJdtrjwopw/gStSi9h wRKzUcnU7g== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:19:09 +0200 (CEST) From: "B.R. Oake" Reply-To: "B.R. Oake" To: =?utf-8?Q?Jernej_=C5=A0krabec?= Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-sunxi@googlegroups.com, devicetree@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <206881200.203318.1622780349817@ichabod.co-bxl> In-Reply-To: <6612268.HtAl026vyE@jernej-laptop> References: <1243888060.510560.1612783497400@ichabod.co-bxl> <20210210150118.ly252i37eykayrcb@gilmour> <1719200956.433094.1613199092092@ichabod.co-bxl> <6612268.HtAl026vyE@jernej-laptop> Subject: Re: [PATCH] ARM: dts: sun8i: h3: orangepi-plus: Fix Ethernet PHY mode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: ContactOffice Mail X-ContactOffice-Account: com:276068926 Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: devicetree@vger.kernel.org On Sat Feb 13 09:51:17 CET 2021, Jernej =C5=A0krabec wrote: > Let me first explain that it was oversight on my side not noticing initia= ls in=20 > your SoB tag. But since the issue was raised by Maxime, I didn't follow u= p. > [...] Dear Jernej, First of all, thank you very much for all your linux-sunxi work: I=20 especially appreciate the video support you've provided. Thank you for initially approving my patch. Although I first posted a=20 patch to the linux-sunxi list about seven years ago, this patch was my=20 first formal submission to LKML, so it meant a lot to me to see it=20 accepted by a kernel developer, even if only briefly. I'm sorry for taking a long time to reply. I wanted to wait for the=20 maintainers to respond to my last mail because I thought it would be=20 best for them to speak for themselves on this issue. Sadly I haven't=20 yet received a response from them. > I believe that real name means no initials, no matter what people are=20 > accustomed to. From my point of view, CJ is pseudonym derived from real n= ame. I don't think that's a widely held belief though. For example, I think=20 most people consider "J.R.R. Tolkien" to be a real name, even though it=20 contains initials. Also, a first name like CJ isn't necessarily derived=20 from some longer name like Cathy Jane, it can simply be the person's=20 given name. I'm grateful to Vagrant Cascadian for drawing our attention=20 to Patrick McKenzie's essay "Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names".= =20 I believe we harm Linux development when we exclude people whose names=20 don't fit our assumptions. Another reason for signing with initials is to ensure that other people=20 cannot infer anything about the author's gender. Women especially might=20 choose to do this to avoid the harassment that a female name can attract,= =20 as shown in these studies for example: https://ece.umd.edu/news/story/study-finds-femalename-chat-users-get-25-tim= es-more-malicious-messages https://www.reach3insights.com/women-gaming-study If we forbid people from contributing in a gender-neutral way, many may=20 feel they cannot contribute at all. Again, I think that when we exclude=20 these people we are all worse off as a result. > Speaking generally, not only for this case, prior art arguments rarely ho= ld,=20 > [...] > This is not the first time that fix of SoB tag was requested, you can fin= d such=20 > requests in ML archives. Isn't that a prior art argument? ;-) Best wishes, B.R. --=20 Mailfence.com Private and secure email