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From: Romain Gantois <romain.gantois@bootlin.com>
To: David Lechner <dlechner@baylibre.com>
Cc: "Liam Girdwood" <lgirdwood@gmail.com>,
	"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Conor Dooley" <conor+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Jonathan Cameron" <jic23@kernel.org>,
	"Nuno Sá" <nuno.sa@analog.com>,
	"Andy Shevchenko" <andy@kernel.org>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hansg@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Petazzoni" <thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devicetree@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-iio@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] iio: add processed write API
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2025 16:35:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2406495.tdWV9SEqCh@fw-rgant> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMknhBG_o=jTKtHHDyK=bq7wcHMnDM1ZHaYAfX0K2hjHfkX3Bg@mail.gmail.com>

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On Wednesday, 1 October 2025 12:03:21 CEST David Lechner wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2025 at 9:19 AM Romain Gantois <romain.gantois@bootlin.com>
> 
...
> > > > +           case IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_MICRO:
> > > > +           case IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_NANO:
> > > > +                   break;
> > > > +           case IIO_VAL_FRACTIONAL:
> > > > +                   offset_val /= offset_val2;
> > > > +                   break;
> > > > +           case IIO_VAL_FRACTIONAL_LOG2:
> > > > +                   offset_val >>= offset_val2;
> > > > +                   break;
> > > > +           default:
> > > > +                   return -EINVAL;
> > > > +           }
> > > > +
> > > > +           *raw -= offset_val;
> > > > +   }
> > > 
> > > There are some rounding biases in this function, but I'm not sure if
> > > it is worth trying to make a perfectly fair function.
> > 
> > I'm unfamiliar with the notion of rounding bias, does it mean that nested
> > calls of this function would tend to amplify rounding errors? In this
> > case,
> > would rounding to the nearest integer instead of whatever is being done by
> > the
> > integer division here be a good solution?
> 
> In this case, the issue is when you are taking multiple samples. When you
> look at the average of all of the samples, you will be able to see the
> bias. For example, in one of the drivers I was looking at there is an
> offset of xxxx.6. Since the IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_MICRO case is just dropping
> any fractional part, the raw value will be on average 0.6 lsb lower that
> the requested value. This could be a problem in an application where high
> precision is required. But probably not noticeable in cases where 1 lsb is
> less than the noise level.
> 

Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. For the IIO_VAL_INT_PLUS_MICRO/NANO 
cases, I think that scaling by MICRO/NANO, then subtracting the offset, then 
dividing and rounding to the closest would give a small precision improvement 
in some cases. It would be a bit slower though, but for low sample-rate 
devices like the ones in IIO I don't think it would be noticeable. I'll give 
it a try.

> The floor division for IIO_VAL_FRACTIONAL creates a similar bias.
> DIV_ROUND_CLOSEST can help there, but even that has a small bias because
> values of exactly 0.5 always get rounded in the same direction. That kind
> of bias is much smaller though, so easier to ignore.
> 

DIV_ROUND_CLOSEST would indeed reduce the bias at no substantial cost, 
so I think I'll go with that.

Thanks,

-- 
Romain Gantois, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-03 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-25 12:37 [PATCH v2 0/5] Add support for the LTM8054 voltage regulator Romain Gantois
2025-09-25 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] regulator: dt-bindings: Add Linear Technology LTM8054 regulator Romain Gantois
2025-09-25 19:27   ` Conor Dooley
2025-09-26 15:59     ` Romain Gantois
2025-09-27 22:31       ` Conor Dooley
2025-10-01  7:11         ` Romain Gantois
2025-10-01 11:18           ` David Lechner
2025-10-01 18:40             ` Conor Dooley
2025-10-02  7:11               ` David Lechner
2025-09-25 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] iio: add processed write API Romain Gantois
2025-09-25 21:10   ` David Lechner
2025-10-01  7:19     ` Romain Gantois
2025-10-01 10:43       ` David Lechner
     [not found]       ` <CAMknhBG_o=jTKtHHDyK=bq7wcHMnDM1ZHaYAfX0K2hjHfkX3Bg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-10-03 14:35         ` Romain Gantois [this message]
2025-09-28  9:07   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-09-25 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] Add kunit tests for iio_divide_by_value() Romain Gantois
2025-09-25 20:26   ` David Lechner
2025-09-25 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] regulator: Support the LTM8054 voltage regulator Romain Gantois
2025-10-22 14:44   ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-09-25 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] regulator: ltm8054: Support output current limit control Romain Gantois
2025-10-22  8:05   ` Romain Gantois
2025-10-22 16:37     ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-10-24  7:55       ` Romain Gantois

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