From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
Jon Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
Philipp Zabel <p.zabel@pengutronix.de>,
Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>,
Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com>,
Rafael Wysocki <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>,
Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>, Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V4 16/16] ARM64: tegra: select PM_GENERIC_DOMAINS
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:11:39 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4244898.5om31fQ1mz@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160114102924.GA22340@ulmo>
On Thursday 14 January 2016 11:29:24 Thierry Reding wrote:
>
> It just occurred to me that none of these options really make much of a
> difference. As Jon mentioned once we merge this series a lot of features
> on Tegra will start to rely on PM_GENERIC_DOMAINS and hence PM. So if we
> do want to build a kernel with a maximum of Tegra features enabled (and
> I think a multi_v7_defconfig should include that) we'll end up with a PM
> dependency anyway, whether forced via select or implied via depends on.
>
> I'm beginning to wonder if PM really should be an option these days. The
> disadvantages of making it optional do outweigh the advantages in my
> opinion. I'm not saying that, in general, it's totally useless to build
> a kernel that has no PM support, but for the more specific case where
> you would want to enable multi-platform support I don't think there's
> much practical advantage in allowing !PM. One of the most common build
> warnings are triggered because of this option. Also multi-platform
> kernels are really big already, so much so that I doubt it would make a
> significant difference if we unconditionally built PM support. Also the
> chances are that we'll be seeing more and more SoCs support PM and rely
> on it, much like Tegra would with the addition of this series.
>
> I imagine that we could save ourselves a lot of headaches by simply
> enabling PM by default, whether that be via the PM Kconfig option or by
> selecting it from ARCH_TEGRA and any other architectures that may come
> to rely on it. Doing so would also reduce the amount of test coverage
> that we need to do, both at compile- and runtime.
I think this needs some investigation. As a general policy, we should
not grow the kernel image size when moving from a traditional ARM
platform to an ARCH_MULTIPLATFORM one.
This is somewhat contradicted by how we already require CONFIG_OF
to be set for multiplatform kernels, and that adds around 80kb
to the image size.
Looking at just the defconfig files, these are the ones that currently
do not set CONFIG_PM:
build/acs5k_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/acs5k_tiny_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/axm55xx_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/bcm2835_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/clps711x_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/ebsa110_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/footbridge_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/ks8695_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/netwinder_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/rpc_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/u300_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
build/vf610m4_defconfig/.config:# CONFIG_PM is not set
The only ones among these are are actually multiplatform are axm55xx,
bcm2835, and u300. I see no downsides of force-enabling PM for
any of those, so we could decide to 'select PM' from
CONFIG_ARCH_MULTIPLATFORM.
The one usecase where we may want to have a modern machine without
CONFIG_PM is a minimal MACH_VIRT kernel for running in a virtual
machine or QEMU with minimal memory requirements, e.g. trying to
squeeze a large number of guests on a single host system.
Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-01-14 11:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-04 14:57 [PATCH V4 00/16] Add generic PM domain support for Tegra Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 01/16] reset: add of_reset_control_get_by_index() Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 02/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Add missing structure members to kernel-doc Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <1449241037-22193-3-git-send-email-jonathanh-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-25 13:20 ` Thierry Reding
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 03/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Fix sparse warning for tegra_pmc_init_tsense_reset Jon Hunter
2016-01-25 13:21 ` Thierry Reding
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 04/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Remove debugfs entry on probe failure Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <1449241037-22193-5-git-send-email-jonathanh-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-25 13:25 ` Thierry Reding
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 05/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Avoid extra remapping of PMC registers Jon Hunter
2016-01-14 13:45 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-14 16:35 ` Jon Hunter
2016-01-14 17:24 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-14 19:02 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 06/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Wait for powergate state to change Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <1449241037-22193-7-git-send-email-jonathanh-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-14 14:01 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-15 9:06 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 07/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Remove non-existing power partitions for T210 Jon Hunter
2016-01-25 13:27 ` Thierry Reding
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 08/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Fix checking of valid partitions Jon Hunter
2016-01-14 14:11 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-15 9:08 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 09/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Ensure partitions can be toggled on/off by PMC Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <1449241037-22193-10-git-send-email-jonathanh-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-14 14:14 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-15 9:32 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 10/16] PM / Domains: Add function to remove a pm-domain Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 11/16] Documentation: DT: bindings: Update NVIDIA PMC for Tegra210 Jon Hunter
2015-12-06 0:31 ` Rob Herring
2015-12-07 9:54 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 12/16] Documentation: DT: bindings: Add power domain info for NVIDIA PMC Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <1449241037-22193-13-git-send-email-jonathanh-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-06 0:37 ` Rob Herring
2015-12-07 9:56 ` Jon Hunter
2016-01-14 14:41 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-15 9:43 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-08 19:07 ` Kevin Hilman
[not found] ` <7h4mfslpyd.fsf-1D3HCaltpLuhEniVeURVKkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-09 12:23 ` Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <56681D53.9090600-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-09 12:33 ` Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <56681F9A.6080200-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-15 0:42 ` Kevin Hilman
2015-12-15 0:34 ` Kevin Hilman
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 13/16] soc: tegra: pmc: Add generic PM domain support Jon Hunter
2016-01-14 14:39 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-15 9:42 ` Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <5698BF00.6090102-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-15 10:01 ` Lucas Stach
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 14/16] clk: tegra210: Add the APB2APE audio clock Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <1449241037-22193-1-git-send-email-jonathanh-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 15/16] ARM64: tegra: Add audio PM domain device node for Tegra210 Jon Hunter
2015-12-04 14:57 ` [PATCH V4 16/16] ARM64: tegra: select PM_GENERIC_DOMAINS Jon Hunter
[not found] ` <1449241037-22193-17-git-send-email-jonathanh-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-15 19:54 ` Ulf Hansson
[not found] ` <CAPDyKFrcuK4iCo7Tg1Q_XjB7Y-+=s-ax1vzK4UEu9FfPnuProw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-16 9:40 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-16 9:47 ` Ulf Hansson
[not found] ` <CAPDyKFpZoZZapqanFyUzT_jZ6DLBnGXOXEyDHosWpphAjzhy7A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-12-16 11:40 ` Jon Hunter
2015-12-16 12:51 ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-13 17:03 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-13 20:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-01-14 8:57 ` Ulf Hansson
2016-01-14 9:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-01-14 10:29 ` Thierry Reding
2016-01-14 11:11 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2016-01-26 17:30 ` Thierry Reding
[not found] ` <20160126173001.GA11062-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2016-01-26 21:52 ` Kevin Hilman
2016-01-14 17:16 ` Jon Hunter
2016-01-26 17:01 ` Jon Hunter
2016-01-27 9:43 ` Ulf Hansson
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