From: Linlin Zhang <linlin.zhang@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, mst@redhat.com, jasowangio@gmail.com,
James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 00/11] FBE virtualization: inline encryption for virtio-blk guests
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2026 23:56:00 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <431215e8-1c80-4aa4-8407-5b3779c344f8@oss.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d81e347e-8ca7-40a1-a428-5bce6f0d4b02@oss.qualcomm.com>
On 8/28/2026 11:37 PM, Linlin Zhang wrote:
>
>
> On 8/28/2026 2:42 AM, Eric Biggers wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2026 at 09:07:09AM -0700, Linlin Zhang wrote:
>>> From: linlzhan <linlin.zhang@oss.qualcomm.com>
>>>
>>> Current virtio-blk does not provide a mechanism for a guest to
>>> program hardware keys or submit encrypted I/O using pre-programmed
>>> keyslots. It drops the crypto context when issuing a bio request
>>> to the virtio-blk queue, preventing inline-encryption-based FBE
>>> on virtio block devices.
>>>
>>> This series enables File-Based Encryption in guest VMs on Qualcomm
>>> GVM platforms where the ICE inline encryption hardware is shared
>>> between the host and guests. In this environment the guest kernel
>>> has no access to the ICE hardware directly; it supplies a virtual
>>> keyslot index and data unit number with each encrypted I/O request
>>> via VIRTIO_BLK_F_INLINE_ENCRYPTION, and the host must translate the
>>> virtual slot to a physical ICE keyslot and submit the bio — without
>>> transferring raw key material across the VM boundary.
>>
>> This seems to be designed incorrectly by not making virtio-blk itself
>> support key programming and eviction. That complicates things
>> significantly by then having to handle the key programming and eviction
>> out-of-band using Qualcomm-specific SCM calls. It also means that
>> adding other implementations of this would be very difficult.
>>
>> There are some claims that not transmitting keys across the VM boundary
>> is desirable. But that doesn't seem meaningful, given that all the I/O
>> is transmitted across that boundary in plaintext anyway, and also it
>> seems that hardware-wrapped keys will be supported too.
>>
>> Please make virtio-blk support the key programming, eviction, and
>> HW-wrapped key management operations that are needed for this to work.
>>
>> - Eric
>
> Thanks for your comments!
>
> Not making virtio-blk itself support key programming and eviction is
> something done deliberately. Based on that HW-wrapped key management
> operations are also handled in the out-of-band path.
>
> There are bellow 2 approaches I investigated to let virtio-blk programming
> the key.
>
> 1. virtio_blk implements blk_crypto_ll_ops interfaces, including program
> key and evict key interfaces.(Same to 'the virtio-blk interface standardized
> blk_crypto_ll_ops requests' mentioned by Stefan in the virtio SPEC thread)
>
> The guest's block crypto profile manages the keyslot in virtual slot
> format in this scenario.
>
> - block crypto key and virt_slot index it passed to the hypervisor's
> (EL2) device emulation (QEMU, using QEMU in the following) which
> runs in userspace of the host. Besides of transferring the virtual
> slot to the physical slot, a programming block crypto key UAPI need
> be added. Follow current blk-crypto design, it may be like
> BLKCRYPTOGENERATEKEY. I thought this results in a security risk that
> allows userspace process a key into a key slot.
>
> - For key eviction, it's similar to above key programming handling, also
> need a key eviction in blk IOCTLs, but leads to the security risk
> that allow userspace client to evict a key in a key slot.
>
> virt_slot, DUN and DUSize is appended to virtblk request during crypto
> I/O.
>
> 2. virtio_blk implements blk_crypto_ll_ops interfaces, excluding program
> key and evict key interfaces.
>
> The guest's block crypto profile doesn't manage keyslot for the guest,
> the host's block crypto profile manages keyslot for both the guest and
> the host. The trigger of key programming operation is moved from the
> guest to the host.
>
> - The whole block crypto key (key size, key bytes, blk_crypto_config)
> and DUN are appended to the virtblk request during IO, a little
> high payload.
>
> The backend parses the crypto message in the virtio queue and
> construct a block crypto key and DUN for the bio_crypto_ctx
> set to the BIO. So that the IO flow in the host can program
> the key.
>
> The question is that the blk-crypto-profile distinguishs the
> block crypto key via the key's address. But the host has
> different key addresses for the programming and eviction key
> operations of the same block crypto key from GVM, because the
> key is re-constructed in the host for the key program and
> eviction operations.
>
> To fix it, the approach I thought is maintaining a new key
> hash table in the backend, and comparing the block crypto key
> content and DUN parsed from virtio queue with that in the key
> hash table.
> My major concern is that this need keep the keys synchronization
> b/w this new hash table and the blk-crypto-profile's hash table
> carefully, avoiding that key is still present in the
> blk-crypto-profile's hash table, but removed in backend hash
> table. Another point is that the whole block crypto key and
> DUN are appended into virtio block request per crypto I/O.
>
> - For key eviction, adding a key eviction in blk IOCTLs allows
> userspace client to evict a key in a key slot. I thought this
> is a security concern.
>
Do you have any suggestion about the key eviction operation? Could this
key eviction request triggered in QEMU be accepted? Would you please
help share insights about how to handle it?
Thanks a lot!
>
> This option doesn't need map virt_slot to physical one.
>
>
> Taking all the above into account, I made a compromise to implement
> blk_crypto_ll_ops interfaces in a out-of-band path, which lets the virtio
> blk only need focus on the data path. I agree that it is complex than
> the second option mentioned in the above, but small payload (only
> virt_slot, DUN, DUSize) in the virtio block request and no security
> risk of key eviction from userspace.
>
>
> I would like to hear your thoughts about the above and am appreciated
> if you could share your insights about the design of inline
> encryption in virtio block.
>
> Regards,
> Linlin
>
>
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-28 15:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-27 16:07 [PATCH v1 00/11] FBE virtualization: inline encryption for virtio-blk guests Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] virtio_blk: add inline encryption support Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] soc: qcom: add crypto_virt backend for virtio-blk inline crypto Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:24 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] soc: qcom: crypto_virt: add support for create, prepare and import keys Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:19 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] dt-bindings: soc: qcom: add binding for qcom,crypto-virt Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:14 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] blk-crypto: add slot-based inline encryption path Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] scsi: ufs: core: add slot path to ufshcd_prepare_lrbp_crypto Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:20 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] blk-crypto: move bio_crypt_dun_increment() to the public header Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:18 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] block: add /dev/blk-crypto-proxy for host-side virtio-blk inline encryption Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:24 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] soc: qcom: add ICE keyslot partitioning driver for guest VMs Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:17 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] blk-crypto: add slot_offset to blk_crypto_profile Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] scsi: ufs: ufs-qcom: support ICE keyslot partitioning for guest VMs Linlin Zhang
2026-08-27 16:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-27 18:42 ` [PATCH v1 00/11] FBE virtualization: inline encryption for virtio-blk guests Eric Biggers
2026-08-28 15:37 ` Linlin Zhang
2026-08-28 15:56 ` Linlin Zhang [this message]
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