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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart-ryLnwIuWjnjg/C1BVhZhaw@public.gmane.org>
To: Philipp Zabel <p.zabel-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Grant Likely
	<grant.likely-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg KH
	<gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux
	<linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Mauro Carvalho Chehab
	<m.chehab-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	Guennadi Liakhovetski
	<g.liakhovetski-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Kyungmin Park
	<kyungmin.park-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-media-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Sylwester Nawrocki
	<s.nawrocki-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Move device tree graph parsing helpers to drivers/of
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 00:41:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4863677.8zxQKX1J0F@avalon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1394799579.3710.24.camel-+qGW7pzALmz7o/J7KWpOmN53zsg1cpMQ@public.gmane.org>

Hi Philipp,

On Friday 14 March 2014 13:19:39 Philipp Zabel wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 13.03.2014, 18:13 +0100 schrieb Laurent Pinchart:
> > On Thursday 13 March 2014 12:08:16 Philipp Zabel wrote:
> > > Am Montag, den 10.03.2014, 14:37 +0000 schrieb Grant Likely:
> > > > > > Nak. I made comments that haven't been resolved yet. I've replied
> > > > > > with more detail tonight. The big issues are how drivers handle
> > > > > > the optional 'ports' node and I do not agree to the double-linkage
> > > > > > in the binding description.
> > > 
> > > so as I understand it, nobody is against dropping the double-linkage
> > > *if* we can agree on a way to recreate the backlinks in the kernel.
> > 
> > I'm not sure about "nobody", but even though it might not be my favorite
> > option I'd be OK with that.
> 
> Ok, I make that assumption going by the discussion about link direction that
> ensued.
> 
> > > My current suggestion would be to parse the complete device tree into an
> > > internal graph structure once, at boot to achieve this. This code could
> > > look for the optional 'ports' node if and only if the parent device node
> > > contains #address-cells != <1> or #size-cells != <0> properties.
> > 
> > With backlinks in DT we can assume that, if a node is the target of a
> > link, it will be compatible with the of-graph bindings, and thus parse
> > the node to locate other ports and other links. This allows parsing the
> > full graph without help of individual drivers.
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > Without backlinks in DT we need to parse the full DT to reconstruct
> > backlinks in the kernel. One possible issue with that is that we can't
> > know whether a node implements the of-graph bindings. We can use the
> > heuristic you've described above, but I wonder if it could lead to
> > problems. Grant pointed out that the compatibility string defines what
> > binding a node uses, and that we can't thus look for properties randomly.
> > I don't think there's a risk to interpret an unrelated node as part of a
> > graph though.
> 
> False positives would just take up a bit of space in the endpoint lists, but
> otherwise should be no problem, as they would only be used when either a
> driver implementing the bindings is bound, or when they are connected to
> other endpoints. Whether or not we scan the whole tree, using this
> heuristic, is more a matter of principle.

That is my understanding as well, so we should be good there.

> > > People completely disagree about the direction the phandle links should
> > > point in. I am still of the opinion that the generic binding should
> > > describe just the topology, that the endpoint links in the kernel
> > > should represent an undirected graph and the direction of links should
> > > not matter at all for the generic graph bindings.
> > 
> > I would also not mandate a specific direction at the of-graph level and
> > leave it to subsystems (or possibly drivers) to specify the direction.
> 
> Thank you. Can everybody live with this?

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-17 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-06 17:13 [GIT PULL] Move device tree graph parsing helpers to drivers/of Philipp Zabel
2014-03-07 11:55 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-03-07 12:20   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2014-03-07 13:29     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2014-03-07 18:23 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-10 13:26   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found] ` < 20140307182330.75168C40AE3@trevor.secretlab.ca>
     [not found]   ` <20140310102630.3cb1bcd7@ samsung.com>
     [not found]     ` <20140310102630.3cb1bcd7-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-10 14:37       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]         ` <1394708896. 3577.21.camel@paszta.hi.pengutronix.de>
2014-03-11 11:12         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2014-03-13 11:08         ` Philipp Zabel
     [not found]           ` <1394708896.3577.21.camel-+qGW7pzALmz7o/J7KWpOmN53zsg1cpMQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-13 11:35             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]               ` <20140313113527.GM21483-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-13 15:13                 ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2014-03-13 15:37                   ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2014-03-14  7:05                   ` Robert Schwebel
     [not found]                     ` <20140314070505.GV1629-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-17 23:30                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-03-18  6:27                         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2014-03-20 16:03               ` Grant Likely
2014-03-13 17:13           ` Laurent Pinchart
2014-03-14 12:19             ` Philipp Zabel
2014-03-14 12:44               ` Tomi Valkeinen
     [not found]               ` <1394799579.3710.24.camel-+qGW7pzALmz7o/J7KWpOmN53zsg1cpMQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-17 23:41                 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]

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