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From: Mitch Bradley <wmb-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: patches-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	Jason Liu <jason.hui-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	Sascha Hauer <s.hauer-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] serial/imx: add device tree support
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:04:33 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E00EB41.9080606@firmworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTiny9xDwiUww9Ys+jQZ0SHdQATABUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On 6/21/2011 8:42 AM, Grant Likely wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Mitch Bradley<wmb-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>  wrote:
>> I wonder if it makes sense to create a new device node "/linux-devices" to express a desired mapping from device nodes to /dev entries?  The properties could be the names of device special files and the values the corresponding node phandles.
>
> I've been trying /really/ hard to avoid doing something like that
> because a lot of the time the desired Linux dev name is a
> implementation detail, and a potentially unstable one at that.  If
> Linux requires certain devices to have certain names because that is
> how it hooks up clocks (which is the current situation on some
> platforms), then I'd rather have Linux encode a lookup of the
> preferred name, at least until the that particular implementation
> detail goes away.
>
> As for enumerating devices, I don't think this is a Linux-specific
> thing.  In this case it is entirely reasonable to want to say /this
> node/ is the second serial port, and /that node/ is the third, which
> is information needed regardless of the client OS.


This reminds me a little of the "slot-names" property defined by the PCI 
bus binding.  It was intended to correlate PCI device numbers with the 
corresponding externally-visible labeling of the slot, so that error 
messages could identify a slot using a name that had some meaning to a user.

The notion of "first" and "second" is, of course, rather difficult to 
define precisely.  What aspect of the device establishes the order?

The "slot-names" property was useful for systems from e.g. Sun, where 
one vendor controlled the whole system rollup.  It was almost useless 
for cases where the one vendor supplied the motherboard and others put 
it in various cases.

>
> g.
>
>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-06-21 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-18 15:19 [PATCH 0/3] Add basic device support for imx51 babbage Shawn Guo
     [not found] ` <1308410354-21387-1-git-send-email-shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-18 15:19   ` [PATCH 1/3] serial/imx: add device tree support Shawn Guo
     [not found]     ` <1308410354-21387-2-git-send-email-shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-18 16:19       ` Grant Likely
2011-06-19  7:02         ` Wolfram Sang
2011-06-19  7:30         ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-19 15:05           ` Grant Likely
2011-06-19 15:15             ` Rob Herring
2011-06-19 18:44               ` Grant Likely
2011-06-21 13:55           ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-21 18:32             ` Mitch Bradley
2011-06-21 18:42               ` Grant Likely
2011-06-21 18:53                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-21 19:02                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                 ` <BANLkTiny9xDwiUww9Ys+jQZ0SHdQATABUA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-21 19:04                   ` Mitch Bradley [this message]
2011-06-21 19:13             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]               ` <BANLkTim4vunTm1176MRw3pqRZnunu4=9jg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-21 19:35                 ` Mitch Bradley
2011-06-21 19:38                   ` Grant Likely
2011-06-21 22:08                     ` Mitch Bradley
2011-06-21 22:33                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                         ` <BANLkTikBUo3jO=R0amkdxU1V3QMJoOUkEw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-21 22:52                           ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]                             ` <ba379b3b42f1659f4f6649c78b8bb1b2-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-21 22:58                               ` Grant Likely
2011-06-22 15:33                 ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-22 15:52                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                     ` <BANLkTimsk2eWKPi2hnHbaAn-vSMKmdYsGQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-23  0:12                       ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]                         ` <20110623001234.GB25799-+NayF8gZjK2ctlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-23  3:35                           ` Grant Likely
2011-06-23 18:38               ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-23 23:11                 ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                   ` <BANLkTi=8Mks6T85WnEyihmB21U1j7reHrQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-24  3:49                     ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]                       ` <20110624034859.GB19188-+NayF8gZjK2ctlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-24  4:05                         ` Grant Likely
2011-06-18 16:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]       ` <201106181821.46574.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-18 16:26         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]           ` <20110618162655.GK8195-e0URQFbLeQY2iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-18 18:11             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19  7:41           ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-19  7:40         ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-18 15:19   ` [PATCH 2/3] net/fec: " Shawn Guo
2011-06-18 16:22     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <20110618162220.GI8195-e0URQFbLeQY2iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-19  7:46         ` Shawn Guo
     [not found]     ` <1308410354-21387-3-git-send-email-shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-18 18:27       ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <201106182027.22974.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-19  0:24           ` Grant Likely
2011-06-19  7:55         ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-19 11:39     ` Greg Ungerer
2011-06-19 12:11       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-19 15:09         ` Rob Herring
2011-06-19 18:43           ` Grant Likely
2011-06-20  0:05         ` Greg Ungerer
2011-06-18 15:19   ` [PATCH 3/3] ARM: mx5: add basic device tree support for imx51 babbage Shawn Guo
     [not found]     ` <1308410354-21387-4-git-send-email-shawn.guo-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-06-18 16:24       ` Grant Likely
2011-06-18 16:29   ` [PATCH 0/3] Add basic device " Grant Likely

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