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From: Mitch Bradley <wmb-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Michal Marek <mmarek-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Warren <swarren-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: dtc: import latest upstream dtc
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:56:11 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5075C4CB.8020409@firmworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5075C254.4040304-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>

On 10/10/2012 8:45 AM, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 10/10/2012 12:23 PM, Mitch Bradley wrote:
>> On 10/10/2012 7:09 AM, Rob Herring wrote:
>>> On 10/09/2012 04:16 PM, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2012 12:39 PM, Jon Loeliger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What more do you think needs discussion re: dtc+cpp?
>>>>>
>>>>> How not to abuse the ever-loving shit out of it? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we can just handle this through the regular patch review
>>>> process; I think it may be difficult to define and agree upon exactly
>>>> what "abuse" means ahead of time, but it's probably going to be easy
>>>> enough to recognize it when one sees it?
>>>
>>> Rather than repeating things over and over in reviews, we should
>>> document at least rules we can easily agree on and then add to it when
>>> people get "creative." Also, I can't keep up with every single binding
>>> review as is, and this could just add another level of complexity to the
>>> review. A few off the top of my head and from the thread discussion:
>>>
>>> - Headers must be self contained with no outside (i.e. libc, kernel,
>>> etc.) header dependencies.
>>> - No kernel kconfig option usage
>>> - No gcc built-in define usage
>>> - No unused items (i.e. externs, structs, etc.)
>>> - No macro concatenation
>>> - No macros for strings or property names
>>
>> Instead of making a bunch of rules about how you can only use a small
>> subset of cpp, why not just add a "define name value" command to DTC?
> 
> I implemented a patch to do exactly that, and it was rejected because it
> only solved part of the problem (named constants) and not the reset (a
> completely generic macro language/... within dtc). The argument was that
> defining just the named constant syntax on its own without knowing what
> the unspecified future macro language will look like might result in the
> named constant syntax not fitting into it.
> 
> That all said, I now think that using cpp is actually a much better
> solution that adding yet more dtc-specific syntax. The *huge* benefit
> here is that it allows you to share .h files between *.dts and C code,
> so you don't have to write out the same set of #defines once in dtc
> syntax and once in cpp syntax.

... and it imposes an equally *huge* restriction that you have to
restrict the .h file to avoid avoid C constructs.  That can be done, but
I've personally experienced a lot of headaches when trying to share .h
files between different languages.

> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-10 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-28 21:25 [PATCH] dtc: import latest upstream dtc Stephen Warren
2012-09-29 21:06 ` Jon Loeliger
2012-10-01 16:09 ` Rob Herring
     [not found]   ` <5069C042.40209-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 16:13     ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]       ` <5069C11C.6040505-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 17:56         ` Rob Herring
2012-10-01 18:33           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]             ` <5069E1F0.5070902-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-01 18:39               ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                 ` <E1TIktZ-0000U4-Qh-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-09 21:16                   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                     ` <50749441.8030307-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-09 23:20                       ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-10  0:04                         ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10  4:43                           ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10  7:24                             ` David Gibson
     [not found]                               ` <20121010072401.GA28467-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 14:41                                 ` Warner Losh
2012-10-10 23:06                                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:16                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 15:33                                 ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 16:19                                   ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 17:18                                     ` Rob Herring
2012-10-10 18:42                                       ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                   ` <5075954B.8030008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 23:16                                     ` David Gibson
2012-10-11  1:42                                       ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                                         ` <50762409.5060105-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-11  5:11                                           ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                 ` <50759152.9050407-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 23:09                                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 15:15                           ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 16:09                             ` Scott Wood
2012-10-10 16:22                               ` Stephen Warren
2012-10-10 23:18                                 ` David Gibson
2012-10-12 17:24                                   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                     ` <5078525B.9030008-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-13  6:24                                       ` David Gibson
     [not found]                                         ` <20121013062453.GH4640-W9XWwYn+TF0XU02nzanrWNbf9cGiqdzd@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-13 13:42                                           ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]                                             ` <3C5DD611-6F36-4D13-9A88-377A8E30AAA5-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-14  0:16                                               ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 17:09                     ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                       ` <5075ABB8.103-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:23                         ` Mitch Bradley
     [not found]                           ` <5075BD21.2070106-D5eQfiDGL7eakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:45                             ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                               ` <5075C254.4040304-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:56                                 ` Mitch Bradley [this message]
2012-10-11  0:14                                   ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 23:54                               ` David Gibson
2012-10-10 18:40                       ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                         ` <5075C10C.1030205-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-10-10 18:52                           ` Mitch Bradley
2012-10-01 18:02     ` Jon Loeliger

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