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From: Jonathan Cameron <jic23-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Guenter Roeck <linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-iio-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	Naveen Krishna Chatradhi
	<ch.naveen-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Tomasz Figa <tomasz.figa-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Grant Likely
	<grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 10/11] iio: Add OF support
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 11:57:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <510E50C1.2010909@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <510E4F76.1030702-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>

On 02/03/2013 11:52 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
> On 02/03/2013 12:47 PM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
>> On 02/03/2013 12:39 PM, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
>>> On 02/02/2013 04:10 PM, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Feb 02, 2013 at 10:29:02AM +0000, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
>>>>> On 01/31/2013 09:43 PM, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>>>>>> Provide bindings, new API access functions, and parse OF data
>>>>>> during initialization.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Firstly thanks for working on this Guenter, it's been a big hole
>>>>> for a while largely because non of our largest developers were
>>>>> actually using development platforms with device tree support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given my knowledge of device tree is based on the odd article
>>>>> and looking at similar sets of bindings this morning, my comments
>>>>> are likely to be somewhat superficial and uninformed ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostly on this one I'll take a back seat and let those who
>>>>> know this stuff better come to a consensus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Guenter Roeck <linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>  .../devicetree/bindings/iio/iio-bindings.txt       |   97 ++++++++
>>>>>>  drivers/iio/inkern.c                               |  241 ++++++++++++++++----
>>>>>>  include/linux/iio/consumer.h                       |    8 +
>>>>>>  3 files changed, 299 insertions(+), 47 deletions(-)
>>>>>>  create mode 100644 Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/iio-bindings.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/iio-bindings.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/iio-bindings.txt
>>>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>>>> index 0000000..0f51c95
>>>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/iio/iio-bindings.txt
>>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@
>>>>>> +This binding is a work-in-progress, and are based on clock bindings and
>>>>>> +suggestions from Lars-Peter Clausen [1].
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +Sources of IIO channels can be represented by any node in the device
>>>>>> +tree.  Those nodes are designated as IIO providers.  IIO consumer
>>>>>> +nodes use a phandle and IIO specifier pair to connect IIO provider
>>>>>> +outputs to IIO inputs.  Similar to the gpio specifiers, an IIO
>>>>>> +specifier is an array of one more more cells identifying the IIO
>>>>>> +output on a device.  The length of an IIO specifier is defined by the
>>>>>> +value of a #io-channel-cells property in the clock provider node.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +[1] http://marc.info/?l=linux-iio&m=135902119507483&w=2
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +==IIO providers==
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +Required properties:
>>>>>> +#io-channel-cells: Number of cells in an IIO specifier; Typically 0 for nodes
>>>>>> +		   with a single IIO output and 1 for nodes with multiple
>>>>>> +		   IIO outputs.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +Optional properties:
>>>>>> +io-channel-output-names:
>>>>>> +		    Recommended to be a list of strings of IIO output signal
>>>>>> +		    names indexed by the first cell in the IIO specifier.
>>>>>> +		    However, the meaning of io-channel-output-names is domain
>>>>>> +		    specific to the IIO provider, and is only provided to
>>>>>> +		    encourage using the same meaning for the majority of IIO
>>>>>> +		    providers.  This format may not work for IIO providers
>>>>>> +		    using a complex IIO specifier format.  In those cases it
>>>>>> +		    is recommended to omit this property and create a binding
>>>>>> +		    specific names property.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +		    IIO consumer nodes must never directly reference
>>>>>> +		    the provider's io-channel-output-names property.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +For example:
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +    adc: adc@35 {
>>>>>> +	compatible = "maxim,max1139";
>>>>>> +	reg = <0x35>;
>>>>>> +        #io-channel-cells = <1>;
>>>>>> +        io-channel-output-names = "adc1", "adc2";
>>>>>> +    };
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +- this node defines a device with two named IIO outputs, the first named
>>>>>> +  "adc1" and the second named "adc2".  Consumer nodes always reference
>>>>>> +  IIO channels by index. The names should reflect the IIO output signal
>>>>>> +  names for the device.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +==IIO consumers==
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +Required properties:
>>>>>> +io-channels:	List of phandle and IIO specifier pairs, one pair
>>>>>> +		for each IIO input to the device.  Note: if the
>>>>>> +		IIO provider specifies '0' for #clock-cells, then
>>>>>> +		only the phandle portion of the pair will appear.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +Optional properties:
>>>>>> +io-channel-names:
>>>>>> +		List of IIO input name strings sorted in the same
>>>>>> +		order as the io-channels property.  Consumers drivers
>>>>>> +		will use io-channel-names to match IIO input names
>>>>>> +		with IIO specifiers.
>>>>>> +io-channel-ranges:
>>>>>> +		Empty property indicating that child nodes can inherit named
>>>>>> +		IIO channels from this node. Useful for bus nodes to provide
>>>>>> +		and IIO channel to their children.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +For example:
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +    device {
>>>>>> +        io-channels = <&adc 1>, <&ref 0>;
>>>>>> +        io-channel-names = "vcc", "vdd";
>>>>>> +    };
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +This represents a device with two IIO inputs, named "vcc" and "vdd".
>>>>>> +The vcc channel is connected to output 1 of the &adc device, and the
>>>>>> +vdd channel is connected to output 0 of the &ref device.
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +==Example==
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +	adc: max1139@35 {
>>>>>> +		compatible = "maxim,max1139";
>>>>>> +		reg = <0x35>;
>>>>>> +		#io-channel-cells = <1>;
>>>>>> +	};
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +	...
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> +	iio_hwmon {
>>>>>> +		compatible = "iio-hwmon";
>>>>>> +		io-channels = <&adc 0>, <&adc 1>, <&adc 2>,
>>>>>> +			<&adc 3>, <&adc 4>, <&adc 5>,
>>>>>> +			<&adc 6>, <&adc 7>, <&adc 8>,
>>>>>> +			<&adc 9>, <&adc 10>, <&adc 11>;
>>>>>> +		io-channel-names = "vcc", "vdd", "vref", "1.2V";
>>>>> Having different numbers of channels and channel names seems
>>>>> unusual... Deliberate or you got bored making up channel names?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why use indexed values for <&adc 0> etc rather than the output
>>>>> channel names on adc?  For the iio_map stuff we initialy used
>>>>> indexes but got a lot of responses that it was a silly idea and
>>>>> naming was much more consistent and easy to follow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a fundamental reason for it here?
>>>>>
>>>>> (note I don't mind either way as this seems more compact and cleaner
>>>>> in some ways)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It follows the structure used by clocks, which uses the provided name(s) to
>>>> calculate an index into io-channels. This way, the provider does not have to
>>>> provide the mapping, the consumer does not have to know the io-channel index,
>>>> and the consumer code can call something like
>>>>
>>>> 	channel = iio_get_channel(dev, "vcc");
>>>>
>>>> In the above example, "vcc" will map to "<&adc, 0>", and "vref" to "<&adc, 2>".
>>>>
>>>> This works for both platform data and OF data (though platform data will
>>>> still need provider-based mapping, at least for now).
>>>>
>>>> This lets the code use a static name (eg "vcc"), and the mapping to the actual
>>>> provider happens through devicetree. Since the name is only used locally and
>>>> consumer driver specific, there is no need to define globally unique names.
>>>>
>>>> With this approach, the io channel map is not needed at all for the OF case.
>>>> I had used it in this version of the patch set, but got rid of it now.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, provider based mapping doesn't even work. If the consumer is
>>>> instantiated before the provider, the mapping doesn't exist yet, and the
>>>> call to iio_channel_get_all will fail. There is no way to prevent this,
>>>> as providers can come online at any time and there is no means to enforce that
>>>> all providers are already active by the time the consumers are instantiated.
>>>> Even if a mapping exists, there is no way to know if it is complete, if a
>>>> consumer is mapped to multiple providers.
>>>>
>>>> With the consumer based mapping, iio_channel_get_all 'knows' that not all
>>>> requested providers are available and can return -EPROBEDEFER in that case.
>>> Thanks. That makes sense.  At the moment iio_hwmon is the only case that
>>> does a 'get all'. Clearly things are easier when the driver is requesting a
>>> specific set and we can do the back off much more easily.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a side effect, we can also use the names - if provided - as channel
>>>> labels in iio_hwmon.
>>>>
>>>> Note this will require the iio_get_channel API to change from taking the
>>>> consumer device name to taking the consumer device pointer as argument.
>>>> This will enable it to work for both OF and non-OF cases, should address Lars'
>>>> concerns about duplicate API functions, and synchronize the code to match how
>>>> the clock framework works.
>>>
>>> Agreed, doing this gives us a cleaner syntax as well.  Note there are other
>>> users of that function in tree so be sure to get them all!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Guenter
>>> Thanks for the explanation.  What I was actually suggesting was something
>>> like:
>>>
>>> adc: max1139@35 {
>>> 		compatible = "maxim,max1139";
>>> 		reg = <0x35>;
>>> 		#io-channel-cells = <1>;
>>> 		io-channel-output-names = "adc1", "adc2", "adc3"				
>>> 	};
>>>
>>> iio_hwmon {
>>> 	compatible = "iio-hwmon";
>>> 	io-channels = <&adc "adc1">, <&adc "adc2">, <&adc "adc3">,
>>> 	io-channel-names = "vcc", "vdd", "vref";
>>> }
>>>
>>> Having taken a look at the available syntax, those <> pairs have
>>> to be unsigned integers?  Hence the additional level of indirection?
>>
>> Yea, I think mixing phandles and strings simply doesn't work, due how
>> devicetree stores things.
>>
> 
> Another possibility would beto do things the way the regulator framework does
> an have each channel as a subnode to the converter devices eg.
> 
> 
> adc: max1139@35 {
>  		compatible = "maxim,max1139";
>  		reg = <0x35>;
> 		adc0: adc@0 {
> 			reg = <0>;
> 		};
> 		adc1: adc@1 {
> 			reg = <1>;
> 		};
> 		adc2: adc@2 {
> 			reg = <2>;
> 		};
> 
>  	};
> 
> 
> iio_hwmon {
>  	compatible = "iio-hwmon";
>  	io-channels = <&adc0>, <&adc1>, <&adc2>;
>  	io-channel-names = "vcc", "vdd", "vref";
> };
> 
> But I'm not sure how much sense this makes for IIO.
> 
The original approach is cleaner to my mind despite the indirection
(which is an indirection because often the channel indexing is non obvious
for a given device)

Lets just 'strongly' encourage the presences of io-channel-names and
io-channel-output-names even when not used by the particular drivers.
(though as Guenter said, they have uses even when not directly 'necessary')

Jonathan

> - Lars
> 
>>>
>>> (sorry, I'm getting you to give me a tutorial on device tree syntax rather
>>> than the actual issue here!)
>>>
>>> I guess it was desirable to keep the syntax relatively simple but that occasionally
>>> adds the requirement for a bit of indirection.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jonathan
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-02-03 11:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-31 21:42 [RFC 00/11] staging/iio: Devicetree support Guenter Roeck
     [not found] ` <1359668588-13678-1-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-01-31 21:42   ` [PATCH 01/11] staging/iio: (iio_hwmon) Use devm_kzalloc Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-2-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02  9:50       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:42   ` [PATCH 02/11] staging/iio: (iio_hwmon) Add support for sysfs name attribute Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-3-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02  9:52       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [PATCH 03/11] staging/iio: (iio_hwmon) Basic devicetree support Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-4-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02  9:54       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [PATCH 04/11] iio/adc: (lp8788) Provide OF node information to iio device Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-5-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02  9:55       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [PATCH 05/11] iio/adc: (max1363) " Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-6-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 10:06       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [PATCH 06/11] iio/adc: (max1363) Remove duplicate code Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-7-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 10:07       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [PATCH 07/11] iio/adc: (max1363) Fix data conversion problems Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-8-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 10:08       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [RFC 08/11] iio: Update iio_channel_get_all and iio_channel_get_all_cb API Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-9-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 10:14       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [RFC 09/11] iio: Simplify iio_map_array_unregister API Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-10-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 10:16       ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [RFC 10/11] iio: Add OF support Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-11-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-01 11:58       ` Lars-Peter Clausen
     [not found]         ` <510BADCA.1030407-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-01 14:33           ` Guenter Roeck
     [not found]             ` <20130201143307.GB20767-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-01 14:59               ` Lars-Peter Clausen
     [not found]                 ` <510BD845.1010200-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-01 19:42                   ` Guenter Roeck
     [not found]                     ` <20130201194213.GA17968-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 14:37                       ` Lars-Peter Clausen
     [not found]                         ` <510D24BA.5000300-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 16:14                           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-02-02 10:29       ` Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]         ` <510CEA6E.9010708-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 16:10           ` Guenter Roeck
     [not found]             ` <20130202161054.GA10386-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-03 11:39               ` Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]                 ` <510E4C85.9060507-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-03 11:47                   ` Lars-Peter Clausen
     [not found]                     ` <510E4E36.8090409-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-03 11:52                       ` Lars-Peter Clausen
     [not found]                         ` <510E4F76.1030702-Qo5EllUWu/uELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-03 11:57                           ` Jonathan Cameron [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <510E50C1.2010909-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-03 16:28                               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-01-31 21:43   ` [RFC 11/11] iio/adc: (max1363) Add basic OF bindings and external vref support Guenter Roeck
     [not found]     ` <1359668588-13678-12-git-send-email-linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 10:33       ` Jonathan Cameron
     [not found]         ` <510CEB68.5000205-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-02 16:13           ` Guenter Roeck

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