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From: Graeme Gregory <gg@slimlogic.co.uk>
To: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
Cc: Laxman Dewangan <ldewangan@nvidia.com>,
	Kishon Vijay Abraham I <kishon@ti.com>,
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	Ian Lartey <ian@slimlogic.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] USB: PHY: Palmas USB Transceiver Driver
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:03:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5152D1F5.2050308@slimlogic.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <515203BC.7010003@wwwdotorg.org>

On 26/03/13 20:23, Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 03/26/2013 10:57 AM, Graeme Gregory wrote:
>> On 26/03/13 16:22, Stephen Warren wrote:
>>> On 03/26/2013 03:27 AM, Graeme Gregory wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> If we are tightly coupling as above then using platform_irq is an extra
>>>> inefficiency. You both have to populate this then parse it afterwards.
>>>> Why not just use the regmap helper? Ill admit this code is like this as
>>>> there was a period where platform irqs in DT just was not working right!
>>>>
>>>> We should really agree now if we are going for loose or tight coupling
>>>> now rather than keep switching?
>>> Yes, this is something that I think needs to be fully resolved before
>>> any more Palmas patches are discussed.
>>>
>>> So you can have the MFD components fully coupled or completely
>>> standalone. We should fully pick one or the other, not some mish-mash of
>>> the two.
>>>
>>> In practical terms, this means that:
>>>
>>> a) Tightly coupled
>>>
>>> The top-level MFD device knows exactly which child devices are present.
>>> It has an internal table to defined the set of child devices, and
>>> instantiate them. It provides them with IRQs, I2C addresses and register
>>> base addresses (or regmaps), etc. etc., using purely Palmas-internal
>>> APIs. If using device tree, the DT won't include any representation of
>>> which child devices are present, nor their I2C addresses, nor their
>>> register addresses, nor their IRQs, etc. That's all inside the driver.
>>>
>>> b) Completely decoupled.
>>>
>>> The top-level MFD device knows nothing about its children. It simply
>>> provides a bus into which they can be instantiated, and a generic IRQ
>>> controller into which they can hook.
>>>
>>> Platform data or device tree is solely used to define which children
>>> exist, which of the top-level MFD's I2C addresses is used for each
>>> child, the base register address for each child device, the IRQs used by
>>> each child device, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which of those two models are different people expecting?
>>>
>>> (b) appears to be the most flexible, and since you have defined the DT
>>> bindings to contain a separate node for each MFD child device, each with
>>> its own compatible value, seems to be what you're aiming for. In this
>>> scenario, there should be no private APIs between the top-level MFD
>>> device and the children though; everything should be using standard bus
>>> APIs.
>> I was aiming towards (b) which would allow drivers for IP blocks that I
>> know are shared between multiple devices such as RTC which is shared by
>> twl6030, twl6032, tps80032, tps65910, tps65911, tps65912, tps80035,
>> tps80036 and probably many more.
>>
>> Finishing (b) implementation is currently beyond the time I have
>> available I think.
>>
>> If we choose to ignore path (b) and ignore the code duplication of half
>> a dozen RTC drivers for the same IP than the path to (a) is much quicker
>> and easier. Can just rip out a lot of the DT stuff, use mfd_add_devices.
>> Makes the binding much simpler. Means we don't have to use platform
>> resources for IRQs. Makes palmas and palmas-charger just 2 black boxes
>> which is in line with other MFDs.
>>
>> So I think I have come around to just do it the easy way and select (a)
>>
>> I shall work on the main palmas series to implement (a).
>>
>> This will obviously invalidate some comments on this patch and the main
>> series.
> Well, my question was more directed at which way we want to model the HW
> in the device tree, rather than how we want to implement the driver. The
> driver implementation style might end up being derived from the DT
> structure, but it shouldn't be the other way around.
>
> I think if people think (b) is the right way to go, we should just do
> it, and ignore any time issues; if it takes a while to get it right
> upstream, what is the issue with that?
I'm going to take a timeout now, I have to travel on an emergency
tonight and not sure when I will be back.

Graeme


  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-27 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-07 13:21 [PATCH v2 0/4] usb: added palmas-usb driver and a few misc fixes Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found] ` <1362662506-14823-1-git-send-email-kishon-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-07 13:21   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] usb: dwc3: set dma_mask for dwc3_omap device Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-03-07 13:21 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] usb: dwc3: dwc3-omap: return -EPROBE_DEFER if probe has not yet executed Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-03-07 13:21 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] USB: Palmas OTG Transceiver Driver Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found]   ` <1362662506-14823-4-git-send-email-kishon-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-14 13:56     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-03-14 14:53       ` kishon
2013-03-25  9:32     ` [PATCH v3] USB: PHY: Palmas USB " Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found]       ` <1364203926-24488-1-git-send-email-kishon-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-25  9:46         ` Laxman Dewangan
2013-03-26  6:03           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-03-26  9:01             ` Graeme Gregory
2013-03-26  9:12               ` Laxman Dewangan
2013-03-26  9:27                 ` Graeme Gregory
2013-03-26  9:34                   ` Laxman Dewangan
2013-03-26  9:51                     ` Graeme Gregory
2013-03-26 11:28                       ` Laxman Dewangan
     [not found]                   ` <51516A10.40704-kDsPt+C1G03kYMGBc/C6ZA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-26 16:22                     ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-26 16:57                       ` Graeme Gregory
2013-03-26 20:23                         ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-27 11:03                           ` Graeme Gregory [this message]
2013-03-26 10:21               ` Felipe Balbi
2013-03-26 10:28                 ` Laxman Dewangan
     [not found]                   ` <51517859.2020407-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-26 12:07                     ` Felipe Balbi
2013-03-26 16:14                   ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-26 10:19             ` Felipe Balbi
2013-05-06 13:17     ` [PATCH v4] extcon: Palmas Extcon Driver Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-05-06 14:26       ` Laxman Dewangan
2013-05-07  5:06         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-05-06 14:40       ` Mark Brown
2013-05-07  5:12         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
     [not found]           ` <51888D55.3090907-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-07  7:58             ` Mark Brown
2013-05-07  9:47               ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-05-07  9:49                 ` Graeme Gregory
2013-05-07 10:45                 ` Mark Brown
2013-05-14  9:18                   ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-05-14  9:54                     ` Graeme Gregory
2013-05-14 18:43                       ` Laxman Dewangan
2013-05-07  0:43       ` myungjoo.ham
2013-05-07  5:21         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-05-22  6:23           ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-05-07  6:10       ` Chanwoo Choi
2013-05-07  6:25         ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-05-07  6:57           ` Chanwoo Choi
2013-05-07  7:05             ` Chanwoo Choi
     [not found]               ` <5188A7BE.4080509-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-05-07  8:17                 ` Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-03-07 13:21 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] usb: musb: omap2430: replace *_* with *-* in property names Kishon Vijay Abraham I
2013-03-14 13:57   ` Felipe Balbi

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