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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Cc: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Shaik Ameer Basha
	<shaik.ameer-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Grant Grundler <grundler-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Will Deacon <Will.Deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <Marc.Zyngier-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Thierry Reding
	<thierry.reding-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Martin <Dave.Martin-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Hiroshi Doyu <hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Describing arbitrary bus mastering relationships in DT
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 21:53:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5235938.KqUI5iMopI@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <537112FC.1040204-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>

On Monday 12 May 2014 12:29:16 Stephen Warren wrote:
> On 05/12/2014 12:10 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Monday 12 May 2014 10:19:16 Stephen Warren wrote:
> >> IIRC, the current Nouveau support for Tegra even makes use of that
> >> feature, although I think that's a temporary thing that we're hoping to
> >> get rid of once the Tegra support in Nouveau gets more mature.
> > 
> > But the important point here is that you wouldn't use the dma-mapping
> > API to manage this. First of all, the CPU is special anyway, but also
> > if you do a device-to-device DMA into the GPU address space and that
> > ends up being redirected to memory through the IOMMU, you still wouldn't
> > manage the I/O page tables through the interfaces of the device doing the
> > DMA, but through some private interface of the GPU.
> 
> Why not? If something wants to DMA to a memory region, irrespective of
> whether the GPU MMU (or any MMU) is in between those master transactions
> and the RAM or not, surely the driver should always use the DMA mapping
> API to set that up? Anything else just means using custom APIs, and
> isn't the whole point of the DMA mapping API to provide a standard API
> for that purpose?

It sounds like an abuse of the hardware if you use the GPU's IOMMU
to set up DMA for a random non-GPU DMA master. I'd prefer not to go
there and instead use swiotlb.

	Arnd
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-12 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-01 17:32 [RFC] Describing arbitrary bus mastering relationships in DT Dave Martin
     [not found] ` <20140501173248.GD3732-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-02 11:05   ` Thierry Reding
2014-05-02 12:32     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-02 13:23       ` Thierry Reding
2014-05-02 15:19         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-02 17:43           ` Dave Martin
     [not found]             ` <20140502174301.GE3805-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 15:14               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-09 10:33                 ` Dave Martin
     [not found]                   ` <20140509103309.GA3875-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-09 11:15                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-09 14:59                     ` Grant Grundler
2014-05-02 18:55           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]             ` <5363EA31.3000509-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-02 19:02               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-09 10:45                 ` Dave Martin
2014-05-02 18:50         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]           ` <5363E8E9.6000908-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-02 19:06             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-09 10:56               ` Dave Martin
     [not found]                 ` <20140509105638.GB3921-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 16:19                   ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                     ` <5370F484.9030209-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 18:10                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-12 18:29                         ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                           ` <537112FC.1040204-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 19:53                             ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-05-12 20:02                             ` Grant Grundler
2014-05-02 16:19     ` Dave Martin
2014-05-02 16:14   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-02 17:31     ` Dave Martin
     [not found]       ` <20140502173120.GD3805-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-02 18:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]           ` <20140502181750.GD3179-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-09 14:16             ` Dave Martin
     [not found]               ` <20140509141633.GD3921-M5GwZQ6tE7x5pKCnmE3YQBJ8xKzm50AiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-09 17:10                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-05-02 20:36         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-09 13:26           ` Dave Martin

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