From: Jon Masters <jonathan-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
To: Olof Johansson <olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: ACPI vs DT at runtime
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 15:43:41 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <528A7BFD.4020303@jonmasters.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131118192552.GD5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
On 11/18/2013 02:25 PM, Olof Johansson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 12:26:11AM -0500, Jon Masters wrote:
>> On 11/18/2013 12:19 AM, Jon Masters wrote:
>>
>>> It's going to be a messy thing to even attempt. Look, I wish we had a
>>> time machine and could have done this whole thing years ago, but I'm not
>>> sure it would have gone differently. ACPI is something a lot of people
>>> emotionally hate. In the Enterprise space myself and others *need* it
>>> (along with UEFI) to have a scalable solution that doesn't result in an
>>> onslaught of customer support calls, which a non-standards body backed
>>> moving target of DTB will do. And besides all of the big boys are going
>>> to be using ACPI whether it's liked much or not.
>>
>> A while ago I mentioned producing a series of requirements that
>> articulates what Red Hat thinks an ARMv8 server looks like. Suffice it
>> to say that such requirements do in fact exist, and will be made
>> available in the not too distant future as part of another doc.
>
> It's nice that there's an unpublished document with a RedHat logo on it
> somewhere that mandates what we, the kernel project, is going to do.
>
> I thought both RedHat and you personally knew that we don't do things
> that way in the kernel, Jon. Published or not.
Olof, I understand completely. My hands are unfortunately tied and it's
not of my making (or my employer) on this front. In the ARM space, there
are a lot of entities involved when it comes to anything at all, and you
know what the NDA situation is like. I am pushing to get a few things
out there for broader consumption.
Jon.
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2013-11-15 1:44 ACPI vs DT at runtime Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 9:57 ` Mark Rutland
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[not found] ` <20131115095717.GC1709-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 17:52 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 17:47 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <20131115175241.GB27174-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2013-11-15 18:42 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-15 19:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311152056.47846.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 23:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131115232109.GT16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311181605.37300.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 15:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 16:10 ` Grant Likely
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2013-11-21 18:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 19:40 ` Mark Brown
[not found] ` <20131118151900.GF16735@ n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131118151900.GF16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:11 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:00 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 11:30 ` Mark Rutland
2013-11-19 11:35 ` Mark Rutland
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2013-11-19 11:51 ` Leif Lindholm
[not found] ` <20131119113015.GH5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 11:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-19 13:56 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-19 14:38 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119143840.GN5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 14:59 ` Leif Lindholm
2013-11-19 18:23 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 14:05 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 15:21 ` Mark Rutland
[not found] ` <20131119152157.GO5914-NuALmloUBlrZROr8t4l/smS4ubULX0JqMm0uRHvK7Nw@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 16:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-19 18:34 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-19 19:06 ` Tom Rini
2013-11-19 18:19 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131119181959.GA20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 16:37 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 16:29 ` Grant Likely
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2013-11-21 17:01 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 17:58 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131121175822.GA9590-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-11-21 18:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 18:54 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131121185408.GX16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:59 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:01 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` <20131121190126.GZ16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 19:31 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` < CAOesGMgzUSMDy99XojipfRd5OM88UhfbCYO0aoc5m-Q8Fwnddg@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` < 20131121190126.GZ16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` < CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <CAOesGMgxGq1Zmo+Dq-Rmy2F02-=12yUzB0AKn35yK2j3CacNRQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:44 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 18:53 ` Mark Brown
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[not found] ` <20131121170122.GB22960-1xO5oi07KQx4cg9Nei1l7Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 18:38 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-15 18:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <20131115182826.GB14920-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 18:57 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-20 13:49 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131120134942.95DBFC4079D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:43 ` Stefano Stabellini
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311201737410.3198-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 17:47 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <5289A356.4060004@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <5289A356.4060004-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:09 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118190929.GA5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:54 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <528A7EA0.9050101-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:50 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 21:32 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <201311182247.03540.david.goodenough@btconnect.com>
2013-11-19 12:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <20131118150052.GC24408@sirena.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131118150052.GC24408-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:13 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118191336.GB5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-19 9:12 ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-19 18:48 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131119184827.GD20967-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-20 6:40 ` Richard Cochran
2013-11-21 18:16 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-21 19:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
[not found] ` < 20131121192136.GA16735@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` <20131121192136.GA16735-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-21 20:47 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20131121204704.E4487C40753-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 11:43 ` Catalin Marinas
[not found] ` <CAHkRjk5MstjD9JFk+co8k89i8geJBmSF6uObhGdmWSe0GJHo8g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-22 12:00 ` Pantelis Antoniou
[not found] ` <97692EF2-013E-4E4B-BC16-E0915D67EFEC-wVdstyuyKrO8r51toPun2/C9HSW9iNxf@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 7:06 ` Alexander Holler
[not found] ` <53673866.9000105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 14:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-05 15:29 ` Alexander Holler
[not found] ` <5367AE6B.3010105-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-05 17:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-06 15:37 ` Grant Likely
2014-05-06 15:27 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <20140506152725.E5B90C40959-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-06 16:32 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <5289A4F3.5040203@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <5289A4F3.5040203-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:25 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <20131118192552.GD5886-O5ziIzlqnXUVNXGz7ipsyg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 20:43 ` Jon Masters [this message]
[not found] ` <528A7BFD.4020303-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:25 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMjKeRb=fFJM0MabDihbEiCGM4EqW9D5i_6-RFxTnpB4Qw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 20:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201311152158.32644.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-15 21:44 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMhkCn2zeJj_ZZAZu_wJya-4evWEqNHpVJEpjxzWHVWY3A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 17:18 ` Stefano Stabellini
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311171705130.4714-7Z66fg9igcxYtxbxJUhB2Dgeux46jI+i@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-17 18:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-17 22:20 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMiYyOcvr3Aqs-p8zc=XDwJM9NZtNxtxrTZssc6F=siZCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 8:45 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <528A4F5F.7080104@jonmasters.org>
[not found] ` <528A4F5F.7080104-Zp4isUonpHBD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 19:21 ` Olof Johansson
2013-11-18 15:04 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` < 201311181610.33105.arnd@arndb.de>
[not found] ` <201311181610.33105.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 21:38 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 23:25 ` Leif Lindholm
[not found] ` <20131118232536.GF1567-GZEopFhza0F985/tl1ce8aaDwS/vmuI7@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:29 ` Olof Johansson
[not found] ` <CAOesGMh373ZsLzoGHJm+xV3uFVjh2CBSA8SXY4PA+VxL3a5W1w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-18 23:34 ` Leif Lindholm
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