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From: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>, Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 19:20:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5373A5D5.5080709@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53738261.4000000@ahsoftware.de>

Am 14.05.2014 16:49, schrieb Alexander Holler:
> Am 14.05.2014 16:05, schrieb Grant Likely:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 18:47:53 +0200, Alexander Holler
>> <holler@ahsoftware.de> wrote:

>> Personally, I think the parts of this patch that manipulate the device
>> registration
>> order is entirely the wrong way to handle it. If anything, I would say
>> continue to register the devices, even if the dependencies are unmet.

(...)

>> How does the dependency code decide which devices can be
>> platform_devices? It's not clear to me from what I've read so far.
>
> Dependencies currently are only considered on stuff which has a
> "compatibility" property, thus drivers. I wanted to get the drivers
> loaded in order, not really caring for devices. Let me quote from
> (outdated) ldd3:
>
> "For the most part, the Linux device model code takes care of all these
> considerations without imposing itself upon driver authors. It sits
> mostly in the background; direct interaction with the device model is
> generally handled by bus-level logic and various other kernel
> subsystems. As a result, many driver authors can ignore the device model
> entirely, and trust it to take care of itself."
>
> So do I. ;)

To explain a bit further, I've started with totally ignoring the device 
model just careing for the order in why drivers will be initialized.

Than the device model did come into my way. ;)

But it isn't any problem at all to extend the stuff to care for devices. 
That even  would reduce some code in dtc with the disadvantage that the 
sizes of blobs will slightly increase a bit more, because they then 
would include dependencies to devices too (instead of just dependencies 
between drivers).

So I'm absolutely open here. If using dependencies between devices is 
necessary or has advantages, that could be changed with changing a few 
lines.

Regards,

Alexander Holler

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-14 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
     [not found] ` <1399913280-6915-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
     [not found]     ` <1399913280-6915-2-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-17 12:16       ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 15:38           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-19 15:49           ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]             ` <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-19 17:26               ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <5379FAA5.10404-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-27 20:02             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 20:38     ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]       ` <CAJgR-BhnFngGr9qxa7NvF7GExiCAr1=HS16AtN20uj7nCmLcKQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 22:58         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <537151FF.8070104-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 0/3] add dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <1399971243-18153-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 1/3] deps: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 2/3] deps: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 3/3] deps: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 18:48             ` [PATCH] deps: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <1400006923-7950-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  1:55                 ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                   ` <5372CD15.5020001-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  7:02                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <20140514141300.67206C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 14:58         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <53738496.2070800-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 19:32             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40   ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27   ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19   ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <53738580.7000902-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 16:05         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]           ` <CACxGe6s4px_9CNk3bkc1OF1KGZGYdyh4gE_VufCKU5dLFBG48g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 16:23             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30               ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53                   ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                     ` <5373ADB6.1070702-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 18:16                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06                   ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                     ` <CAL_JsqJ-=amrmRR9FfnOH1ELDQ1kTaG3e1n878mgpZP1FUw_jA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 19:24                       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                         ` <5373C2F4.50803-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-15  1:46                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00                       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]     ` <20140514141914.446F7C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-21 14:02       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]         ` <20140821140211.GD19293-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-21 19:19           ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]             ` <53F64624.5000403-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-22 13:19               ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08                   ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                     ` <E1XLu15-0002DP-6o-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 13:37                       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                         ` <20140825133714.GH4163-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 14:13                           ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                             ` <E1XLv1z-0002Jv-VN-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 14:41                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42                           ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                                 ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                     ` <20140827103432.64927C409CB-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 14:44                                       ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                         ` <20140827144403.GB13850-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:22                                           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                             ` <53FE05AE.9000406-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:30                                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                                                 ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                                   ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                                   ` <53FE0966.5020206-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 17:52                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                                       ` <20140827175243.GJ13850-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 18:14                                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                                       ` <20140828092308.GA31111-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-29  1:43                                                         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                 ` <53FC566C.30904-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 10:25                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                                     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                       ` <53FC6513.5040800-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 11:01                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                                         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                           ` <53FC6E4A.6030407-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 11:47                                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                                               ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                                 ` <53FC76E8.5050009-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 13:58                                                   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                                     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                                                     ` <E1XMHGc-0008TS-CQ-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27  7:16                                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                         ` <20140826085128.958A9C40989-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26  9:56                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54                   ` Mark Rutland
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <20140514140534.897F8C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 14:49       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20         ` Alexander Holler [this message]
     [not found]         ` <53738261.4000000-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 20:06           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31               ` Alexander Shiyan
     [not found]               ` <5373DBCF.1080503-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-16 11:00                 ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31                 ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31               ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler

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