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From: Alexander Holler <holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
To: Jon Loeliger <jdl-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>,
	Thierry Reding
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:56:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53FC3DBB.7000407@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1XLu15-0002DP-6o-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>

Am 25.08.2014 15:08, schrieb Jon Loeliger:
>>
>
>> Anyway, instead of going back and forth between "deferred probe is good"
>> and "deferred probe is bad", how about we do something useful now and
>> concentrate on how to make use of the information we have in DT with the
>> goal to reduce the number of cases where deferred probing is required?
>
> Good idea.
>
> The proposal on the table is to allow the probe code
> to make a topological sort of the devices based on
> dependency information either implied, explicitly stated
> or both.  That is likely a fundamentally correct approach.
>
> I believe some of the issues that need to be resolved are:
>
>      1) What constitutes a dependency?

In my patches phandles are used. That works pretty good for almost all 
DTs. So almost all dependencies are already declared in a DT and almost 
no changes to the DT are necessary. The only binding I've seen where it 
doesn't work is remote-endpoint, because that binding isn't a directed 
dependency. So one of the two places where such a binding occurs needs a 
"no-dependencies = <phandle>" to avoid circular dependencies which can 
be solved.

>      2) How is that dependency expressed?

Already there in form of phandles.

>      3) How do we add missing dependencies?

My patches offer the possibility to extend or reduce the list of 
(automatically generated) dependencies by using "[no-]dependencies = < 
list of phandles >;"

>      4) Backward compatability problems.

None in my approach. The DT just includes an additional binding to 
circumvent the missing but needed type information for phandles.

Regards,

Alexander Holler
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-26  7:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <20140514140534.897F8C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 14:49       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]         ` <53738261.4000000-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 20:06           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10             ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <5373DBCF.1080503-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-16 11:00                 ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31                 ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31               ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31               ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
     [not found] ` <1399913280-6915-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
     [not found]     ` <1399913280-6915-2-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-17 12:16       ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 15:38           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-19 15:49           ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]             ` <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-19 17:26               ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <5379FAA5.10404-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-27 20:02             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 20:38     ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]       ` <CAJgR-BhnFngGr9qxa7NvF7GExiCAr1=HS16AtN20uj7nCmLcKQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 22:58         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <537151FF.8070104-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 0/3] add dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <1399971243-18153-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 1/3] deps: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 2/3] deps: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 3/3] deps: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 18:48             ` [PATCH] deps: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <1400006923-7950-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  1:55                 ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                   ` <5372CD15.5020001-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  7:02                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <20140514141300.67206C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 14:58         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <53738496.2070800-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 19:32             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40   ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27   ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19   ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <53738580.7000902-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 16:05         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]           ` <CACxGe6s4px_9CNk3bkc1OF1KGZGYdyh4gE_VufCKU5dLFBG48g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 16:23             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30               ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53                   ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                     ` <5373ADB6.1070702-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 18:16                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06                   ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                     ` <CAL_JsqJ-=amrmRR9FfnOH1ELDQ1kTaG3e1n878mgpZP1FUw_jA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 19:24                       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                         ` <5373C2F4.50803-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-15  1:46                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00                       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]     ` <20140514141914.446F7C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-21 14:02       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]         ` <20140821140211.GD19293-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-21 19:19           ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]             ` <53F64624.5000403-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-22 13:19               ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08                   ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                     ` <E1XLu15-0002DP-6o-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 13:37                       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                         ` <20140825133714.GH4163-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 14:13                           ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                             ` <E1XLv1z-0002Jv-VN-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 14:41                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42                           ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                                 ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                     ` <20140827103432.64927C409CB-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 14:44                                       ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                         ` <20140827144403.GB13850-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:22                                           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                             ` <53FE05AE.9000406-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:30                                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                                                 ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                                   ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                                   ` <53FE0966.5020206-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 17:52                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                                       ` <20140827175243.GJ13850-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 18:14                                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                                       ` <20140828092308.GA31111-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-29  1:43                                                         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                 ` <53FC566C.30904-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 10:25                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                                     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                       ` <53FC6513.5040800-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 11:01                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                                         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                           ` <53FC6E4A.6030407-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 11:47                                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                                               ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                                 ` <53FC76E8.5050009-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 13:58                                                   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                                     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                                                     ` <E1XMHGc-0008TS-CQ-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27  7:16                                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56                       ` Alexander Holler [this message]
2014-08-26  8:51                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                         ` <20140826085128.958A9C40989-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26  9:56                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54                   ` Mark Rutland
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler

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