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From: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>
Cc: Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 11:42:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53FC566C.30904@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140826084922.GG17263@ulmo>

Am 26.08.2014 10:49, schrieb Thierry Reding:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 09:42:08AM +0100, Grant Likely wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:37:16 +0200, Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>>> There are somewhat standardized bindings for the above and especially
>>> for bindings of the type that clocks implement this is trivial. We can
>>> simply iterate over each (phandle, specifier) tuple and check that the
>>> corresponding clock provider can be resolved (which typically means that
>>> it's been registered with the common clock framework).
>>>
>>> For regulators (and regulator-like bindings) the problem is somewhat
>>> more difficult because they property names are not standardized. One way
>>> to solve this would be to look for property names with a -supply suffix,
>>> but that could obviously lead to false positives. One alternative that I
>>> think could eliminate this would be to explicitly list dependencies in
>>> drivers. This would allow core code to step through such a list and
>>> resolve the (phandle, specifier) tuples.
>>
>> False positives and negatives may not actually be a problem. It is
>> suboptimal, certainly, but it shouldn't outright break the kernel.
>
> There could be cases where some random integer in a cell could be
> interpreted as a phandle and resolve to a struct device_node. I suppose
> it might be unlikely, but not impossible, that the device_node could
> even match a device in the correct subsystem and you'd get a wrong
> dependency. Granted, a wrong dependency may not be catastrophic in that
> it won't lead to a crash, but it could lead to various kinds of
> weirdness and hard to diagnose problems.

You need either the type information in the DTB (that's why I've add 
those "dependencies" to identify phandles), or you need to know every 
binding (at "dependency-resolve-time" to identify phandles. The latter 
is impracticable to implement in a generic way (for use with every 
possible binding).

Regards,

Alexander Holler

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-26  9:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <20140514140534.897F8C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 14:49       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]         ` <53738261.4000000-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 20:06           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31               ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-16 17:31               ` Alexander Shiyan
     [not found]               ` <5373DBCF.1080503-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-16 11:00                 ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31                 ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
     [not found] ` <1399913280-6915-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
     [not found]     ` <1399913280-6915-2-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-17 12:16       ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-19 15:38           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-05-19 15:49           ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]             ` <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-19 17:26               ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <5379FAA5.10404-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-27 20:02             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 20:38     ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]       ` <CAJgR-BhnFngGr9qxa7NvF7GExiCAr1=HS16AtN20uj7nCmLcKQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-12 22:58         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <537151FF.8070104-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54             ` [PATCH 0/3] add dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <1399971243-18153-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 1/3] deps: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 2/3] deps: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
2014-05-13  8:54                 ` [PATCH 3/3] deps: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 18:48             ` [PATCH] deps: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
     [not found]               ` <1400006923-7950-1-git-send-email-holler-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  1:55                 ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                   ` <5372CD15.5020001-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14  7:02                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13     ` Grant Likely
     [not found]       ` <20140514141300.67206C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 14:58         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]           ` <53738496.2070800-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 19:32             ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47   ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40   ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27   ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19   ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <53738580.7000902-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 16:05         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]           ` <CACxGe6s4px_9CNk3bkc1OF1KGZGYdyh4gE_VufCKU5dLFBG48g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 16:23             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30               ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53                   ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                     ` <5373ADB6.1070702-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 18:16                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06                   ` Rob Herring
     [not found]                     ` <CAL_JsqJ-=amrmRR9FfnOH1ELDQ1kTaG3e1n878mgpZP1FUw_jA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-14 19:24                       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                         ` <5373C2F4.50803-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-15  1:46                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00                       ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]     ` <20140514141914.446F7C4153D-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-21 14:02       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]         ` <20140821140211.GD19293-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-21 19:19           ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]             ` <53F64624.5000403-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-22 13:19               ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08                   ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                     ` <E1XLu15-0002DP-6o-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 13:37                       ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                         ` <20140825133714.GH4163-AwZRO8vwLAwmlAP/+Wk3EA@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 14:13                           ` Jon Loeliger
     [not found]                             ` <E1XLv1z-0002Jv-VN-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-25 14:41                               ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42                           ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                               ` Alexander Holler [this message]
2014-08-26 10:11                                 ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                                   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                                     ` <20140827103432.64927C409CB-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 14:44                                       ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                         ` <20140827144403.GB13850-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:22                                           ` Stephen Warren
     [not found]                                             ` <53FE05AE.9000406-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 16:30                                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                                                 ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                                   ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                                   ` <53FE0966.5020206-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 17:52                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                                       ` <20140827175243.GJ13850-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27 18:14                                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                                     ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]                                                       ` <20140828092308.GA31111-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-29  1:43                                                         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                 ` <53FC566C.30904-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 10:25                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                                     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                       ` <53FC6513.5040800-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 11:01                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                                         ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                           ` <53FC6E4A.6030407-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 11:47                                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                                               ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]                                                 ` <53FC76E8.5050009-SXC+2es9fhnfWeYVQQPykw@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26 13:58                                                   ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                                     ` Thierry Reding
     [not found]                                                     ` <E1XMHGc-0008TS-CQ-CYoMK+44s/E@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-27  7:16                                                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51                       ` Grant Likely
     [not found]                         ` <20140826085128.958A9C40989-WNowdnHR2B42iJbIjFUEsiwD8/FfD2ys@public.gmane.org>
2014-08-26  9:56                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54                   ` Mark Rutland
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler

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