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From: Darren Hart <dvhart@linux.intel.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	ACPI Devel Maling List <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Alexandre Courbot <gnurou@gmail.com>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Bryan Wu <cooloney@gmail.com>,
	"grant.likely@linaro.org" <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	dvhart@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/13] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties support
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:46:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <543E88CF.5060504@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db4038336b5e165b8b61eda064b10eeb.squirrel@twosheds.infradead.org>



On 10/15/14 16:08, David Woodhouse wrote:
> 
>> We have been checking for all DT platforms, and that's a bug for DT.
>> Copying that bug to ACPI is inexcusable given we know it's a bug to do
>> so.
> 
> We'll, perhaps it should be named 'used-by-firmware' and actually it's
> just as valid under ACPI as it is on RTAS systems. All it does is stop the
> OS from using the port.
> 
>> I understand that. However, where a binding doesn't make sense (as in
>> this case), it shouldn't be enabled for ACPI as it provides a larger
>> surface area for misuse, for no benefit.
> 
> These are *optional* properties. They were optional precisely *because*
> they only make sense in some cases. I don't know that it makes sense to
> take them away. The benefit we get is *consistency*. For example if
> someone *does* use the property in question as 'used-by-firmware' and
> expects the OS not to touch it, we don't want that to change behaviour
> between ACPI and fdt boots.

My comment was going to be along the same lines. It is an optional
parameter, which is what I would expect for a firmware-specific type of
property.

I also don't agree that this is "copying that bug to ACPI". This line of
code has no impact to ACPI. No ACPI implementation should add this,
certainly not if it was actually tested as it would not run if it was
present in the _DSD. So... what's the problem exactly? Or perhaps more
specifically:

Mark, what would you propose we do differently to enable this driver to
be firmware-type agnostic?

-- 
Darren Hart
Intel Open Source Technology Center

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-15 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-07  0:10 [PATCH v4 00/13] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties support Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  0:12 ` [PATCH 01/13] ACPI: Add support for device specific properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-13 12:47   ` Grant Likely
2014-10-07  0:12 ` [PATCH 02/13] Driver core: Unified device properties interface for platform firmware Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  0:13 ` [PATCH 03/13] ACPI: Allow drivers to match using Device Tree compatible property Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-14 13:38   ` Grant Likely
2014-10-07  0:14 ` [PATCH 04/13] ACPI: Document ACPI device specific properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-13 12:41   ` Grant Likely
2014-10-14  9:42     ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-07  0:14 ` [PATCH 05/13] misc: at25: Make use of device property API Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  9:10   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-10-07  9:32     ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-07  0:15 ` [PATCH 06/13] gpio / ACPI: Add support for _DSD device properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-14 13:44   ` Grant Likely
2014-10-15  8:46     ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-07  0:15 ` [PATCH 07/13] gpio: sch: Consolidate core and resume banks Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  0:16 ` [PATCH 08/13] leds: leds-gpio: Add support for GPIO descriptors Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found] ` <2660541.BycO7TFnA2-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-07  0:16   ` [PATCH 09/12] input: gpio_keys_polled - " Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]     ` <1740633.d3tSWZ2Q0u-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-07 17:29       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-07  0:17 ` [PATCH 10/13] Driver core: Child node properties for devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  0:18 ` [PATCH 11/13] gpio: Support for unified device properties interface Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07 10:22   ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-10-07 10:40     ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-07 10:52       ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-10-08  0:09         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-08  2:55           ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-10-08 14:01             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  0:18 ` [PATCH 12/13] leds: leds-gpio: Make use of device property API Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-08 14:04   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]     ` <2960802.kPr8UT7PvT-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-08 17:47       ` Bryan Wu
2014-10-08 22:02         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  0:19 ` [PATCH 13/13] input: gpio_keys_polled - " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07 17:30   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-07  0:39 ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties support Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-07  2:28 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-15 13:04 ` David Woodhouse
2014-10-15 13:15   ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-15 13:28     ` David Woodhouse
2014-10-15 13:42       ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-15 14:08         ` David Woodhouse
2014-10-15 14:46           ` Darren Hart [this message]
2014-10-15 15:11             ` David Woodhouse
2014-10-15 15:17             ` Mark Rutland
2014-10-15 15:43               ` Darren Hart
2014-10-16 10:05                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-16 14:55                 ` David Woodhouse
2014-10-18  8:37                   ` Grant Likely
2014-10-18  8:39                   ` Grant Likely
2014-10-18  8:35                 ` Grant Likely
2014-10-21 21:50                   ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties? support Darren Hart
2015-01-14 18:42     ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties support David Woodhouse
2015-01-15  9:12       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:01 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:03   ` [PATCH v5 01/12] ACPI: Add support for device specific properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:04   ` [PATCH v5 02/12] Driver core: Unified device properties interface for platform firmware Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-20  0:07     ` [Update][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:05   ` [PATCH v5 03/12] ACPI: Allow drivers to match using Device Tree compatible property Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-20 14:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-10-20 22:19       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:07   ` [PATCH v5 04/12] misc: at25: Make use of device property API Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:09   ` [PATCH v5 05/12] gpio / ACPI: Add support for _DSD device properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:10   ` [PATCH v5 06/12] gpio: sch: Consolidate core and resume banks Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:11   ` [PATCH v5 07/12] leds: leds-gpio: Add support for GPIO descriptors Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-28 15:26     ` Linus Walleij
2014-10-28 21:56       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-29  8:53         ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-30 15:40           ` Linus Walleij
2014-10-30 16:15             ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-31  9:41               ` Linus Walleij
2014-10-31  9:55                 ` Mika Westerberg
2014-10-30 15:34         ` Linus Walleij
2014-10-17 12:12   ` [PATCH v5 08/12] input: gpio_keys_polled - " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:14   ` [PATCH v5 09/12] Driver core: Unified interface for firmware node properties Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-18  9:35     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-19 23:30       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-20 14:14         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-18 14:55     ` Grant Likely
2014-10-19 23:46       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]         ` <7821406.D7i8JfDpzX-sKB8Sp2ER+y1GS7QM15AGw@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-20 14:18           ` Grant Likely
2014-10-20 22:14             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-20 14:19         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-20 14:55           ` Grant Likely
2014-10-20 22:22           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-19 22:14     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-19 23:31       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-20  0:15     ` [Update][PATCH " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:16   ` [PATCH v5 10/12] gpio: Support for unified device properties interface Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 18:09     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-18  9:47       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-19 23:58         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-20 14:22           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-20  6:12         ` Alexandre Courbot
2014-10-20 14:26           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-17 12:17   ` [PATCH v5 11/12] leds: leds-gpio: Make use of device property API Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:18   ` [PATCH v5 12/12] input: gpio_keys_polled - " Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 12:22   ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Add ACPI _DSD and unified device properties support Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-17 15:40   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-17 19:23     ` Darren Hart
2014-10-17 21:49     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-19 22:14       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-10-17 18:04   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-10-17 22:50     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-10-18  8:49       ` Grant Likely
2014-10-19 23:32         ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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