From: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
To: Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 20:14:12 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54940124-50df-16ec-1a32-ad794ee05da7@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190501230126.229218-1-brendanhiggins@google.com>
On 5/1/19 4:01 PM, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> ## TLDR
>
> I rebased the last patchset on 5.1-rc7 in hopes that we can get this in
> 5.2.
>
> Shuah, I think you, Greg KH, and myself talked off thread, and we agreed
> we would merge through your tree when the time came? Am I remembering
> correctly?
>
> ## Background
>
> This patch set proposes KUnit, a lightweight unit testing and mocking
> framework for the Linux kernel.
>
> Unlike Autotest and kselftest, KUnit is a true unit testing framework;
> it does not require installing the kernel on a test machine or in a VM
> and does not require tests to be written in userspace running on a host
> kernel. Additionally, KUnit is fast: From invocation to completion KUnit
> can run several dozen tests in under a second. Currently, the entire
> KUnit test suite for KUnit runs in under a second from the initial
> invocation (build time excluded).
>
> KUnit is heavily inspired by JUnit, Python's unittest.mock, and
> Googletest/Googlemock for C++. KUnit provides facilities for defining
> unit test cases, grouping related test cases into test suites, providing
> common infrastructure for running tests, mocking, spying, and much more.
As a result of the emails replying to this patch thread, I am now
starting to look at kselftest. My level of understanding is based
on some slide presentations, an LWN article, https://kselftest.wiki.kernel.org/
and a _tiny_ bit of looking at kselftest code.
tl;dr; I don't really understand kselftest yet.
(1) why KUnit exists
> ## What's so special about unit testing?
>
> A unit test is supposed to test a single unit of code in isolation,
> hence the name. There should be no dependencies outside the control of
> the test; this means no external dependencies, which makes tests orders
> of magnitudes faster. Likewise, since there are no external dependencies,
> there are no hoops to jump through to run the tests. Additionally, this
> makes unit tests deterministic: a failing unit test always indicates a
> problem. Finally, because unit tests necessarily have finer granularity,
> they are able to test all code paths easily solving the classic problem
> of difficulty in exercising error handling code.
(2) KUnit is not meant to replace kselftest
> ## Is KUnit trying to replace other testing frameworks for the kernel?
>
> No. Most existing tests for the Linux kernel are end-to-end tests, which
> have their place. A well tested system has lots of unit tests, a
> reasonable number of integration tests, and some end-to-end tests. KUnit
> is just trying to address the unit test space which is currently not
> being addressed.
My understanding is that the intent of KUnit is to avoid booting a kernel on
real hardware or in a virtual machine. That seems to be a matter of semantics
to me because isn't invoking a UML Linux just running the Linux kernel in
a different form of virtualization?
So I do not understand why KUnit is an improvement over kselftest.
It seems to me that KUnit is just another piece of infrastructure that I
am going to have to be familiar with as a kernel developer. More overhead,
more information to stuff into my tiny little brain.
I would guess that some developers will focus on just one of the two test
environments (and some will focus on both), splitting the development
resources instead of pooling them on a common infrastructure.
What am I missing?
-Frank
>
> ## More information on KUnit
>
> There is a bunch of documentation near the end of this patch set that
> describes how to use KUnit and best practices for writing unit tests.
> For convenience I am hosting the compiled docs here:
> https://google.github.io/kunit-docs/third_party/kernel/docs/
> Additionally for convenience, I have applied these patches to a branch:
> https://kunit.googlesource.com/linux/+/kunit/rfc/v5.1-rc7/v1
> The repo may be cloned with:
> git clone https://kunit.googlesource.com/linux
> This patchset is on the kunit/rfc/v5.1-rc7/v1 branch.
>
> ## Changes Since Last Version
>
> None. I just rebased the last patchset on v5.1-rc7.
>
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2019-05-01 23:01 [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] kunit: test: add KUnit test runner core Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] kunit: test: add test resource management API Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] kunit: test: add string_stream a std::stream like string builder Brendan Higgins
[not found] ` <20190501230126.229218-4-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03 1:26 ` shuah
2019-05-03 4:37 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] kunit: test: add kunit_stream a std::stream like logger Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:00 ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:25 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:18 ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03 1:50 ` shuah
2019-05-03 5:48 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] kunit: test: add the concept of expectations Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] kbuild: enable building KUnit Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 3:03 ` Masahiro Yamada
[not found] ` <CAK7LNAQ+SRMn8UFjW1dZv_TrL0qjD2v2S=rXgtUpiA-urr1DDA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10 10:27 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 10:30 ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:33 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] kunit: test: add initial tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:58 ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:30 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 1:27 ` shuah
[not found] ` <d4934565-9b41-880e-3bbe-984224b50fac-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03 5:18 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] kunit: test: add support for test abort Brendan Higgins
[not found] ` <20190501230126.229218-9-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03 3:14 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-03 6:48 ` Brendan Higgins
[not found] ` <CAFd5g47hxAd=+72xbPJbWPdZCXRXmtLpsGhUh=zc7MSwfcaGJQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03 12:33 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-06 8:48 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] kunit: test: add tests for kunit " Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] kunit: test: add the concept of assertions Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] kunit: test: add test managed resource tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:34 ` shuah
2019-05-06 9:03 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] kunit: tool: add Python wrappers for running KUnit tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:02 ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:07 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:16 ` Frank Rowand
[not found] ` <a49c5088-a821-210c-66de-f422536f5b01-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-02 23:45 ` Brendan Higgins
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2019-05-03 1:45 ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03 5:36 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 18:59 ` Frank Rowand
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2019-05-03 23:14 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:42 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <CAFd5g47aY-CL+d7DfiyTidY4aAVY+eg1TM1UJ4nYqKSfHOi-0w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-06 0:19 ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-06 17:43 ` Kees Cook
2019-05-06 21:42 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-06 21:39 ` Brendan Higgins
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2019-05-07 19:13 ` Tim.Bird-7U/KSKJipcs
2019-05-03 6:41 ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] kunit: defconfig: add defconfigs for building " Brendan Higgins
[not found] ` <20190501230126.229218-1-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] Documentation: kunit: add documentation for KUnit Brendan Higgins
[not found] ` <20190501230126.229218-15-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 5:08 ` Randy Dunlap
2019-05-09 17:38 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KUnit the unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:38 ` shuah
2019-05-06 9:18 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] kernel/sysctl-test: Add null pointer test for sysctl.c:proc_dointvec() Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:03 ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:14 ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-02 18:45 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 6:42 ` Greg KH
2019-05-03 23:41 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:40 ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] MAINTAINERS: add proc sysctl KUnit test to PROC SYSCTL section Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Greg KH
2019-05-02 11:05 ` Greg KH
2019-05-03 0:41 ` Brendan Higgins
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