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From: Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>
To: Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, keescook@google.com,
	kieran.bingham@ideasonboard.com, mcgrof@kernel.org,
	robh@kernel.org, sboyd@kernel.org, shuah@kernel.org
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	pmladek@suse.com, richard@nod.at, rientjes@google.com,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 20:14:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54940124-50df-16ec-1a32-ad794ee05da7@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190501230126.229218-1-brendanhiggins@google.com>

On 5/1/19 4:01 PM, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> ## TLDR
> 
> I rebased the last patchset on 5.1-rc7 in hopes that we can get this in
> 5.2.
> 
> Shuah, I think you, Greg KH, and myself talked off thread, and we agreed
> we would merge through your tree when the time came? Am I remembering
> correctly?
> 
> ## Background
> 
> This patch set proposes KUnit, a lightweight unit testing and mocking
> framework for the Linux kernel.
> 
> Unlike Autotest and kselftest, KUnit is a true unit testing framework;
> it does not require installing the kernel on a test machine or in a VM
> and does not require tests to be written in userspace running on a host
> kernel. Additionally, KUnit is fast: From invocation to completion KUnit
> can run several dozen tests in under a second. Currently, the entire
> KUnit test suite for KUnit runs in under a second from the initial
> invocation (build time excluded).
> 
> KUnit is heavily inspired by JUnit, Python's unittest.mock, and
> Googletest/Googlemock for C++. KUnit provides facilities for defining
> unit test cases, grouping related test cases into test suites, providing
> common infrastructure for running tests, mocking, spying, and much more.

As a result of the emails replying to this patch thread, I am now
starting to look at kselftest.  My level of understanding is based
on some slide presentations, an LWN article, https://kselftest.wiki.kernel.org/
and a _tiny_ bit of looking at kselftest code.

tl;dr; I don't really understand kselftest yet.


(1) why KUnit exists

> ## What's so special about unit testing?
> 
> A unit test is supposed to test a single unit of code in isolation,
> hence the name. There should be no dependencies outside the control of
> the test; this means no external dependencies, which makes tests orders
> of magnitudes faster. Likewise, since there are no external dependencies,
> there are no hoops to jump through to run the tests. Additionally, this
> makes unit tests deterministic: a failing unit test always indicates a
> problem. Finally, because unit tests necessarily have finer granularity,
> they are able to test all code paths easily solving the classic problem
> of difficulty in exercising error handling code.

(2) KUnit is not meant to replace kselftest

> ## Is KUnit trying to replace other testing frameworks for the kernel?
> 
> No. Most existing tests for the Linux kernel are end-to-end tests, which
> have their place. A well tested system has lots of unit tests, a
> reasonable number of integration tests, and some end-to-end tests. KUnit
> is just trying to address the unit test space which is currently not
> being addressed.

My understanding is that the intent of KUnit is to avoid booting a kernel on
real hardware or in a virtual machine.  That seems to be a matter of semantics
to me because isn't invoking a UML Linux just running the Linux kernel in
a different form of virtualization?

So I do not understand why KUnit is an improvement over kselftest.

It seems to me that KUnit is just another piece of infrastructure that I
am going to have to be familiar with as a kernel developer.  More overhead,
more information to stuff into my tiny little brain.

I would guess that some developers will focus on just one of the two test
environments (and some will focus on both), splitting the development
resources instead of pooling them on a common infrastructure.

What am I missing?

-Frank


> 
> ## More information on KUnit
> 
> There is a bunch of documentation near the end of this patch set that
> describes how to use KUnit and best practices for writing unit tests.
> For convenience I am hosting the compiled docs here:
> https://google.github.io/kunit-docs/third_party/kernel/docs/
> Additionally for convenience, I have applied these patches to a branch:
> https://kunit.googlesource.com/linux/+/kunit/rfc/v5.1-rc7/v1
> The repo may be cloned with:
> git clone https://kunit.googlesource.com/linux
> This patchset is on the kunit/rfc/v5.1-rc7/v1 branch.
> 
> ## Changes Since Last Version
> 
> None. I just rebased the last patchset on v5.1-rc7.
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-05-07  3:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-01 23:01 [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] kunit: test: add KUnit test runner core Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] kunit: test: add test resource management API Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] kunit: test: add string_stream a std::stream like string builder Brendan Higgins
     [not found]   ` <20190501230126.229218-4-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03  1:26     ` shuah
2019-05-03  4:37       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] kunit: test: add kunit_stream a std::stream like logger Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:00   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:25     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:18       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03  1:50   ` shuah
2019-05-03  5:48     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] kunit: test: add the concept of expectations Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] kbuild: enable building KUnit Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10  3:03   ` Masahiro Yamada
     [not found]     ` <CAK7LNAQ+SRMn8UFjW1dZv_TrL0qjD2v2S=rXgtUpiA-urr1DDA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10 10:27       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 10:30         ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:33           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] kunit: test: add initial tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:58   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 20:30     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  1:27   ` shuah
     [not found]     ` <d4934565-9b41-880e-3bbe-984224b50fac-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03  5:18       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] kunit: test: add support for test abort Brendan Higgins
     [not found]   ` <20190501230126.229218-9-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03  3:14     ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-03  6:48       ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]         ` <CAFd5g47hxAd=+72xbPJbWPdZCXRXmtLpsGhUh=zc7MSwfcaGJQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03 12:33           ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-06  8:48             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] kunit: test: add tests for kunit " Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] kunit: test: add the concept of assertions Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] kunit: test: add test managed resource tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:34   ` shuah
2019-05-06  9:03     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] kunit: tool: add Python wrappers for running KUnit tests Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:02   ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:07     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 21:16       ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]         ` <a49c5088-a821-210c-66de-f422536f5b01-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-02 23:45           ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]             ` <CAFd5g44iWRchQKdJYtjRtPY6e-6e0eXpKXXsx5Ooi6sWE474KA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03  1:45               ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-03  5:36                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 18:59                   ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                     ` <052fa196-4ea9-8384-79b7-fe6bacc0ee82-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-03 23:14                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:42                         ` Greg KH
     [not found]                         ` <CAFd5g47aY-CL+d7DfiyTidY4aAVY+eg1TM1UJ4nYqKSfHOi-0w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-06  0:19                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-06 17:43                             ` Kees Cook
2019-05-06 21:42                               ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-06 21:39                             ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]                               ` <CAFd5g46=ZU58uJ=Qhs3soBzJjzJKJFY0_uzZ7fe1CxPfJioNOA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-07 19:13                                 ` Tim.Bird-7U/KSKJipcs
2019-05-03  6:41             ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] kunit: defconfig: add defconfigs for building " Brendan Higgins
     [not found] ` <20190501230126.229218-1-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-01 23:01   ` [PATCH v2 14/17] Documentation: kunit: add documentation for KUnit Brendan Higgins
     [not found]     ` <20190501230126.229218-15-brendanhiggins-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09  5:08       ` Randy Dunlap
2019-05-09 17:38         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01   ` [PATCH v2 15/17] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KUnit the unit testing framework Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03 14:38     ` shuah
2019-05-06  9:18       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-01 23:01   ` [PATCH v2 16/17] kernel/sysctl-test: Add null pointer test for sysctl.c:proc_dointvec() Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 11:03     ` Greg KH
2019-05-02 18:14       ` Tim.Bird
2019-05-02 18:45         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  6:42           ` Greg KH
2019-05-03 23:41             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-04 10:40               ` Greg KH
2019-05-01 23:01 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] MAINTAINERS: add proc sysctl KUnit test to PROC SYSCTL section Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 10:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/17] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework Greg KH
2019-05-02 11:05   ` Greg KH
2019-05-03  0:41     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-02 14:04   ` shuah
2019-05-03  0:44     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-03  3:18 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-07  3:14 ` Frank Rowand [this message]
     [not found]   ` <54940124-50df-16ec-1a32-ad794ee05da7-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-07  8:01     ` Greg KH
2019-05-07 15:23       ` shuah
2019-05-09  1:01         ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]       ` <20190507080119.GB28121-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-07 17:22         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-08 19:17           ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]           ` <20190507172256.GB5900-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09  0:58             ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]               ` <4d963cdc-1cbb-35a3-292c-552f865ed1f7-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09  1:44                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09  2:18                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14  8:22               ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-09  0:43         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09  1:58           ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-09  2:13             ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]               ` <580e092f-fa4e-eedc-9e9a-a57dd085f0a6-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09  3:20                 ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                   ` <20190509032017.GA29703-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 11:52                     ` Knut Omang
     [not found]                       ` <7fd35df81c06f6eb319223a22e7b93f29926edb9.camel-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 13:35                         ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                           ` <20190509133551.GD29703-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 14:48                             ` Knut Omang
2019-05-09 17:00                             ` Tim.Bird-7U/KSKJipcs
2019-05-09 17:42                               ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-09 18:12                               ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                                 ` <875c546d-9713-bb59-47e4-77a1d2c69a6d-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 21:42                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                     ` <20190509214233.GA20877-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 22:20                                       ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                         ` <b09ba170-229b-fde4-3e9a-e50d6ab4c1b5-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 23:30                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                                             ` <20190509233043.GC20877-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-09 23:40                                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                 ` <8914afef-1e66-e6e3-f891-5855768d3018-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10  4:47                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10  5:18                                                 ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                                                   ` <6d6e91ec-33d3-830b-4895-4d7a20ba7d45-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10  5:48                                                     ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10  8:12                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-10 10:23                                                         ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]                                                           ` <CAFd5g47Fvafwgh15JNfxSBRf5qqG2z+V+XGAB2cJtNnHFTiFfQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10 12:12                                                             ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10 20:54                                                               ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 22:18                                                                 ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                                                                   ` <ccec4818-1b9d-2554-e0e4-433eba659c8e-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-11  6:17                                                                     ` Knut Omang
2019-05-14  6:39                                                                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 21:59                                                           ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                                                             ` <8abaf5f2-dd33-98d0-7b34-b57de7fe7c8b-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-11  6:43                                                               ` Knut Omang
     [not found]                                                                 ` <a3362d96a6d95d852753739384ded814f5269aac.camel-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-14  8:00                                                                   ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]                                                         ` <CAKMK7uFd1xUx8u3xWLwifVSq4OEnMO4S-m0hESe68UzONXnMFg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10 11:36                                                           ` Knut Omang
2019-05-10 16:17                                                   ` Logan Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                     ` <3faa022b-0b70-0375-aa6d-12ea83a2671f-OTvnGxWRz7hWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10 22:13                                                       ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14  8:38                                                         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-15  0:14                                                           ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                                                             ` <5ff098a9-9424-901c-9017-d4492e306528-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-15  0:26                                                               ` Logan Gunthorpe
2019-05-10 21:52                                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-14 20:54                                           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-10 21:12                                     ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                                       ` <80c72e64-2665-bd51-f78c-97f50f9a53ba-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-11 17:33                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-13 14:44                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-14  6:04                                             ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]                                               ` <20190514060433.GA181462-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-14 12:05                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-14 18:36                                                   ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-15  7:41                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-22 21:38                                                       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-05-23  8:40                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2019-05-15  0:26                                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-15  4:28                                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10  5:11               ` Frank Rowand
     [not found]                 ` <78e4d46e-6212-9871-51d6-dd2126f39d45-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2019-05-10 10:43                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2019-05-10 21:05                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-05-09 15:19 ` Masahiro Yamada
2019-05-10 10:25   ` Brendan Higgins

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